GUNS IN CRPG

[Formless]

Mount & blade : Warband : 1257.
The game offers very realistic weapons. I play the game for his realism.

think. In 1257, and around, could you see this kind of weapon ?
Take your xbow, or change game/mod.

Realism, really?  are we playing the same game?

I still don't see the problem, just make the firearms just like the crossbows, people would choose either one for the style and balancing would be automatically taken care of. 

[EliteDragon]

I don't think we should...just wait until Fire & Sword is out and tweak cRPG for that. This enables for an already pre-built balanced system and we could just add/remove a couple things to make it more balanced for cRPG. After that we could probably just squeeze another sub-forum into this one and have a "Fire & Sword" section and expand cRPG's population to both types.

On another note: For the character creation page, we could just add a button that switches between the two and loads up your characters for each game. That way, cRPG (Warband) could remain the same and just create new characters for M&B: Fire + Sword.

[MrShovelFace]

yes imagine every knight you come across pulling out a flint lock pistol from his non existant pocket and shooting u. Guns in M&B have no trajectory and virtually instant hit and there is no way to change that without making them into essencially oddly shaped crossbows. Thus becoming even less skill based than throwing

[Hirlok]

I'd like to see some.

Early firearms were terribly inaccurate and did  not do much more damage than xbow and (long)bow, their main effect was on short distance, massed together, and giving a barrage of bullets, fire and NOISE.

So if they are implemented in a way that acknowledges those facts and does not make them some ranged Uber-weapon (we got the 100yards-instakill throwing axes for that... ), I'd be happy to see them in the game.

Actually on one native server there is a mini-mod with a funny little flintlock pistol.
Usefull only in Flamberge-range, loud, and mostly there for the "WTF - a PISTOL???"-effect.


Oh, and yes:

Rather AND have working catapults, trebuchets and ballistae.

[MouthnHoof]

Is this what we need? another short range, no requirement, shooter that everyone will carry?
Low accuracy and low rate of fire is not an argument because accuracy does not matter when used from just outside melee range or shooting into crowd and rate of fire does not matter for a secondary weapon that can be reloaded behind cover.

If you go fireamrs go all the way and make it cMount&Musket or c1866 mod.

[Quirian]

21 Guns?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9qWKqAhTyg

[BD_Guard_Bane]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taMKaHYMeMM

[Shpritza]

Rather have working catapults, trebuchets and ballistae.

I also think that wolud be cool... 

[Christo]

Guns can work, if we can find a role for them, one that takes skill, but you have to sacrifice something for the gun.

It should be a slower reload, but who cares about realism here: Make it IMPOSSIBLE to reload/ shoot anything without an investment,
To avoid how throwing is now. (CQB instakill shotgun-mode while backpedaling.)
If you give up the uber melee-pwning for the gun, you should get a reload speed bonus, and some on accuracy. If you do something monotonously a lot, you will become faster, faster, and faster at it.

I don't think it would f*ck up the gameplay, it just needs it's own place on the battlefield.
Strong, takes a bit to reload, but it should be the rival of the crossbow in middle range.

We have these ugly Side-Sword things. But why don't we have at least an Arquebus with Crossbow-like stats?

Another idea is to make the WPF penalty like how it is with bows, to encourage the typical "Arquebusier" light to medium armour, and make the gun&ammo expensive, so it won't be abused as a sidearm either.

The only problem I see is shields. When gunpowder weapons became popular, people started dropping their shields.
I see how people with their uber Huscarl lolshields don't want guns here. Their "mighty" forcefields would have a real enemy then.
 

[woody]

I have changed my mind - great idea.

And how about an Apache attack helicopter? It would like a horsed archer that levitates and we've already got horsed archer so why not?

[Quirian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqQn2ADZE1A

Janie's got a gun

[Murmillus_Prime]

I WANT GUNZ

[Gorath]

I don't think it would f*ck up the gameplay, it just needs it's own place on the battlefield.

Great so we can officially write off the melee system all together in M&B and really reaname it my old friend and Arrow: Throwspam like it is currently anyways.  Fuck it, as an FPS this game is shit, but that's what it's turning into because everyone runs around spamming arrows or throwing weapons so why the fuck not.  Yeah lets add guns.  Then we can all just run with a dagger in the 4th slot and CS Knife people too.  R.I.P. M&B melee innovation combat.   

[Cupidon]

Rather have working catapults, trebuchets and ballistae.

+1 !!! and maybe healing tents ?

[BD_Guard_Bane]

You want guns? Go to Brixton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiQoq-wqZxg