Petition for new 1h left swing animation

[Banok]

Can't beat them join them, masterwork scimitar purchased (altho its for a arbalest user so doubt I can spam left swing quite as effectively)

Kinda disagree with this. If you can't get a hit in between left swings, then you aren't using enough WPF for your weapon speed or you're face hugging someone with a steel pick.

are you still only using a katana?

and you can't really not get face hugged by steel pick user they are mostly high agi

Who are these people you speak of, if you don't mind telling me?

Its strange I don't really remember, when did strategus come out, summer 2010. thats the last time i remember being really active when I was in shogunate and we were doing strat <3 good times.

anyway everyones heard of olwen, he was defo one of the best 1handers and I don't remember him abusing game mechanics. but again so long ago maybe I mis remember. I remember a couple of people being able to chamber pretty much every other hit.

[Banok]

Left swing spam is pretty much easy to predict (not necessarily easy to block  ), block first two hits and after that counter, there is short stun lock (or however you want to call that) that stops people from spamming indefinitely, when your opponent will try to start 3rd left swing it's your time to strike him.

Thanks for the advice. I've already admitted to being a noob and I don't understand half of this stuff people are talking about in this thread, but honestly I don't want to. This stuff just takes the fun and twitch skill out of the game and puts success even more into the hands of peoples who play 24/7, as they know all these obscure mechanics and have better gear and levels. When I go back to play pvkii after a long break I get owned by the regulars on skill alone.  Think I'd rather just not take the game so seriously or play something else. I only starting playing again cause some friends did ;p, then I got re addicted.

[Zisa]

This stuff just takes the fun and twitch skill out of the game and puts success even more into the hands of armchair devs, as they tweaked all these obscure mechanics.

fixed it for ya.

[Banok]

I did 2 generations as 1h, took me a while to get used to but wasn't long before I was raping with the left swing abuse like everyone else. Went 2h for a gen and once again i'm here whining. i'm going back to 1h because this shit really is completely OP.

This is not a blocking problem. Even if you block the first hit, the second one will still be faster than anything you can pull off

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[Vodner]

The only way a 1h can get a second left swing is if you let them walk far down your left side, and you try to counter with a sweeping right swing/overhead (or hesitate a *lot* before countering).

[dreadnok]

I get owned by everyone, I only starting playing again few days ago. not really point of this thread to talk about me tho.

If 1h need s buff increase all 1h damage or something. I sick of half of cRPG being about abusing animations.
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Lol just started and wanna change everything lol pissoff

[San]

Can't double swing Saul as much as I try even though I know I'm going to get hit anyways. If you can respond fast enough and aren't in a completely screwed position, you're fine against the left swing.

[Lemmy_Winks]

Ive played shield and 2h and shield is a lot easier than 2h especially when your using steel pick you get speed a sheild and high damage. You have to be full retard to get hit when youve got a sheild, the damage isn't that much lower than 2h and its well worth it. Even if your sheild brakes which wont happen unless the enemy has an axe, then youve basically got a really fast 2h weapon, ya its kind of short but not a problem just keep pressing into the enemy. The fact that the overhand and left/right swing which ever you call it looks so similar also makes it easier to hit people as if the high weapon speed wasnt enough.

The only advantage 2h really has its the reach and being able to reach out and hit people in those large mob vs large mob clusterfuck standoffs that battle typically is for the infantry.

[Xant]

Anyone who can kick half-competently will absolutely destroy someone with that playstyle. I haven't seen anyone with steelpick who can avoid kicks consistently.

[Banok]

2h is better for 1 shotting peasants but thinking 1h is low damage is stupid. first 1h only weapon type to not have large dmg penalty on horseback. plus from horseback your are mostly headshotting. point being: on horseback 1h is only outdamaged by couched lances. go play 1h cav you will get alot of 1 shot kills.

on foot i'll ignore discussing whether reach or speed is better but just focus on damage. yes overall 2h has slightly more damage than 1h, but 1h left swing consistent head dmg which is 1.2 dmg (most 1handers swings are 90% left for a reason (FASHISTS)). yes a flamberge does 46 dmg but that is cut and means little vs plate armour.

so lets look at pierce weapons, 2h: morning star 39p polearm: bec 34p 1h steel pick 32p - but a +3 steel pick left swing to face does same dmg as +3 morning star (42p). blunt is simular; polearm 32b, 2h 35b, 1h 31b - ofc discounting the great maul.

lets also not forget that heirlooms give a flat +3 damage instead of a % which means hierlooming low dmg weapons has a bigger impact, this is overall a good thing imo to make underused lower tier weapons an edge. but it does skew 1h balance somewhat.

TLDR: 1h vs 2h damage is arguably negligible difference on foot (except vs cloth armour) and 1h is higher mounted

[Teeth]

If they would remove the fucking turnrate nerf then maybe I wouldn't have to rely on the lame ass leftswing. Overhead was my attack of choice before and my aim with it was almost impeccable. Now it is really hard to even hit people with it. If they move to the side I can't even keep up and miss. Because it is a fast attack I can turn 30 degrees at most during the animation. Which on the close range I normally use it, is really not far enough.

Same for the stab, it might glance less easy, but it is still a huge gamble, while I just worked out how to spin it so it wouldn't glance.

Leftswing is overrated. All 1h attacks are awesome and have their use, which makes it such an awesome class. Now, its just leftswing close up, right swing at long range.

[kinngrimm]

If they would remove the fucking turnrate nerf then maybe I wouldn't have to rely on the lame ass leftswing. Overhead was my attack of choice before and my aim with it was almost impeccable. Now it is really hard to even hit people with it. If they move to the side I can't even keep up and miss. Because it is a fast attack I can turn 30 degrees at most during the animation. Which on the close range I normally use it, is really not far enough.

Same for the stab, it might glance less easy, but it is still a huge gamble, while I just worked out how to spin it so it wouldn't glance.

Leftswing is overrated. All 1h attacks are awesome and have their use, which makes it such an awesome class. Now, its just leftswing close up, right swing at long range.

so it wasnt only my imagination ^^. Turn to Overhead is now 1 out of 10 a hit, before 1 out of 3. So thats fucked up. The 1h stab is rediculous in comparison to a piker who moves or jumps "BACKWARDS" and doesn't glance, that combined with a bit of turn magic and the piker can neglect glancing on close proximity. But a 1h who moves forward and is close to the target, glances in 2 out of 3 attacks.

[Molly]

so it wasnt only my imagination ^^. Turn to Overhead is now 1 out of 10 a hit, before 1 out of 3. So thats fucked up. The 1h stab is rediculous in comparison to a piker who moves or jumps "BACKWARDS" and doesn't glance, that combined with a bit of turn magic and the piker can neglect glancing on close proximity. But a 1h who moves forward and is close to the target, glances in 2 out of 3 attacks.

How would you know about stabbing with a 1h when you're using dem damn steel pick all the time? 

[Banok]

the 1h stab on foot is a bit unpredictable & underpowered. tor killed me off my horse with a long dagger stab once, I'm still like: dafaq.

[Huey Newton]

This is now a petition for a 1h stab buff.

Who's with me?