[OFFICIAL] Community Petition to Nerf Horse Crossbowmen

[TugBoat]

[Smithy]

+1

Option 4: Do not allow Crossbows of any kind to be reloaded on horseback.  In my opinion and in my experience (I have a crossbow right next to me) it quite honestly is not possible to reload one of these things with one hand as the animation suggests in game.. unless mayhaps, you're a body builder. (lol) The only way I could see someone realistically reloading a crossbow from horseback would be if you had one of

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Stolz

[TugBoat]

+1

Option 4: Do not allow Crossbows of any kind to be reloaded on horseback.  In my opinion and in my experience (I have a crossbow right next to me) it quite honestly is not possible to reload one of these things with one hand as the animation suggests in game.. unless mayhaps, you're a body builder. (lol) The only way I could see someone realistically reloading a crossbow from horseback would be if you had one of

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Stolz

Good point, not to mention steering a horse at that speed and wit the turning abilities of an arabian without using your arms on the reigns is impossible. Didn't think of that.

[Duncdar]

Good point, not to mention steering a horse at that speed and wit the turning abilities of an arabian without using your arms on the reigns is impossible. Didn't think of that.

That's also a reason why people have suggested to make all the current crossbows unable to be reloaded on horseback and add a separate crossbow (A windlass crossbow I believe) to the game. That crossbow would deal medium-low damage and be pretty inaccurate, but it would be the only crossbow that could be reloaded while you're on a horse.

But even then, there's nothing that stops a horse xbowman from getting a arbalest, shooting it on horseback, running over to the map edge, dismounting, reloading and getting back on his horse.

[Spanish]

I disagree not with the nerfing Xbow cav but with the methods you've chosen that will nerf every other cavalry player in the game which will actually affect them more than the Xbow cav. I am a cav player that rides an Arabian and I've literally killed 6 or 7 Xbow cav in one round before. So saying they're isnt a counter is not acccurate other cav counter them the best but it's just annoying chasing them down so most cav ignore them.

[Elindor]

I really like the xbows not being reloadable on cav...and introducing 1 or 2 xbows that can be but are less powerful (for obvious reasons).
This shouldn't hurt other cavalry classes right?

Yeah they could dismount somewhere, reload, and get back on the horse, but that kinda eliminates the problem the original poster brought up in my mind.

[Vexus]

Just make all crossbows not reloadable on horse and end it there, no need for excessive nerfs.

[rustyspoon]

Though I hate xbow cav with every ounce of my being, they don't need a nerf.

Instead we just need smarter teammates. If you are ranged and see an xbow cav on the other team, it MAY be a good idea to kill his horse. Just sayin'.

[Vexus]

Xbow cav need a nerf because they are the only cav class with no requirements apart of horse archery letting them go ridiculous builds like 12/30 for example.

[Tomas_of_Miles]

Xbow cav need a nerf because they are the only cav class with no requirements apart of horse archery letting them go ridiculous builds like 12/30 for example.

But using a mw light crossbow and mw steel bolts only lends you a certain amount of damage (speed bonuses will increase that). The weapon has low requirements but cannot be augmented in damage by the skill investment.

Also, being a horse crossbowman requires awareness, you are vulnerable as you focus on a target with a ranged weapon out, reloading between each shot is sizeable disadvantage against HA and ground ranged troops.

Have any of you tried being a horse crossbowman for a generation/stf on cRPG?

[rustyspoon]

Xbow cav need a nerf because they are the only cav class with no requirements apart of horse archery letting them go ridiculous builds like 12/30 for example.

This just gave me the hilarious idea for a Great lance cav build:

Strength: 11
Agility: 30
Hit points: 46
Skills to attributes: 12
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 0
Shield: 9
Athletics: 0
Riding: 11
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 0
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 114
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

[Tomas_of_Miles]

This just gave me the hilarious idea for a Great lance cav build:

Strength: 11
Agility: 33
Hit points: 46
Skills to attributes: 18
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 0
Shield: 2
Athletics: 0
Riding: 11
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 0
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 114
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

Surely you'd want some more powerstrike and strength. This deserves its own thread... 

[Vexus]

Couch damage is not affected nor boosted by PS which is another bullshit but that's another thread.

[Tomas_of_Miles]

Couch damage is not affected nor boosted by PS which is another bullshit but that's another thread.

Are you absolutely sure? Also I didn't think it was possible to chamber block (or should I say riposte?) couches. But I've heard the sound when preparing an overhead at what seemed like the right time at an incoming couch!

[Vexus]

There was a thread about couching with people stating it and seeing it myself with a character that only used a couching lance using that very same build rustyspoon showed ranking kills after kills with 0 PS.

On my retired cav I tested it myself and I managed to one shot a medium+ armoured player with the jousting lance when I had 2 PS while on a sumpter so I wasn't going very fast since I had 2 riding only.