English Bill and Swiss Halberd needs love.

[Joxer]

Wtf. Where is the info about pike losing overhead? This is just great. Everytime chadz changes something he screws my build. And I dont even know how to play the freaking game properly. FFS 

[Mech]

Pike is soooo good as a support role. Overhead from it is entirely unrealistic but so is one person blocking ten pikes at a time with his short sword. I prefer overhead gone simply for the sake that it is entirely silly to be using a pike as a dueling weapon. At least this makes the Swiss an appetizing option for those who want to forsake a little bit of range for another attack direction. It seems like a support weapon, much like the pike. Imagine the tk's this thing would cause if you gave it 4 directions.

[Byrdi]

English Bill   7589   
weight 4
requirement 14
spd rtng 87
weapon length 174
swing damage 40, pierce
thrust damage 33 pierce
Unbalanced
Can't use on horseback

Swiss Halberd   6285   
weight 4
requirement 18
spd rtng 89
weapon length 162
swing damage 48 cut
thrust damage 30 pierce
Unbalanced
Can't use on horseback
Bonus against Shield
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Making them unbalanced with ruin both weapons. Right now they can strike all most as fast as a "normal" weapon, but if they were unbalanced, I doubt they would be of any use 1on1
They are fine right now.

[Dravic]

Making them unbalanced with ruin both weapons. Right now they can strike all most as fast as a "normal" weapon, but if they were unbalanced, I doubt they would be of any use 1on1
They are fine right now.

Yeah, if you want to "buff" these two weapons by nerfing them, better dont do anything.

[Meow]

i think i remember some talk about Jago's formulas being applied to most weapons next patch.
that should leave the speed of the two polearms in questions at something around 118 and the damage around 56.

ALL HAIL JAGO!

[Felagunda]

I think they need +2, +3, or +4 cut at least and just +2 on the thrust.

[MrShovelFace]

no they dont. I can name many people off the top of my head that use two directional weapons and consistantly get top scores. Plus i doubt anyone wants to see these weapons turn into a rediculously op version of the long voulge

[Seawied]

I agree with the OP. These weapons are pretty weak for their cost. Give them additional attack directions or something for petes sake.

[[ptx]]

ptx on irc said it's stupid and unrealistic, thus has to go.

What the...
I never said that...
O_o

OMG DONT NERF MAH PIKE!!1

[Nemeth]

Lol, I distinctly remember conversation with you, where you said it's idiotic that you can overhead with 3m long stick and that pike will lose it.

[[ptx]]

Huh? When was that?

[Nemeth]

Not sure, few weeks ago maybe, can't really give you exact date.

[[ptx]]

You sure you ain't confusing me with cmpxchg8b? Because i've never said that and don't really want it.

[Nemeth]

Yeah, I guess, since it obviously wasn't you, must have been cmp then :X Sorry for the confusion.

[Joxer]