Stategus the trooth!

[Turboflex]

A lot of Euro's don't seem to get a couple of fundamental facts:
1) NA won't ally together, NA clans dislike each other more than they dislike EU clans.
2) NA players prefer to fight NA players, who the hell wants to deal with a game that has crappy pings & bad times for matches?

So you "won" the grand strategy game of strategus by forming an unstoppable mega alliance at the beginning? Umm congrats? When you play Europa Universalis 3 do you ally France, Spain, England together then  brag about conquering Portugal?

Isn't that the equivalent of playing EU3 on "easy difficulty"?

[Xant]

Again, "NA" is not getting attacked by "EU." Some NA clan got attacked by an EU clan with some support from a couple other EU clans. Now DRZ is fighting Kapikulu, an EU clan?

[Turboflex]

As others have mentioned, all the UIF clans have already given each other a massive material advantage by establishing and protecting a cross map caravan that they all had peaceful access to for months. This when the top EU clans were already bigger and better organized than any NA clan.

So again, I guess grats on the easy mode win? Maybe next round you can try your "grand strategy game" on medium difficulty?

[Tomas_of_Miles]

Well I suppose they could have sat around for until someone dared to attack them...

[Xant]

As others have mentioned, all the UIF clans have already given each other a massive material advantage by establishing and protecting a cross map caravan that they all had peaceful access to for months. This when the top EU clans were already bigger and better organized than any NA clan.

I haven't heard of Nords having any massive caravan problems despite not being allied to anyone for the vast majority of Strat.

[Cicero]

A lot of Euro's don't seem to get a couple of fundamental facts:
1) NA won't ally together, NA clans dislike each other more than they dislike EU clans.
2) NA players prefer to fight NA players, who the hell wants to deal with a game that has crappy pings & bad times for matches?

So you "won" the grand strategy game of strategus by forming an unstoppable mega alliance at the beginning? Umm congrats? When you play Europa Universalis 3 do you ally France, Spain, England together then  brag about conquering Portugal?

Isn't that the equivalent of playing EU3 on "easy difficulty"?

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[Tomas]

I haven't heard of Nords having any massive caravan problems despite not being allied to anyone for the vast majority of Strat.

Nor did the Templars until they got attacked by the Greys.  Do you think they can still march their caravans through DRZ, Empire, Legio and Merciless lands to fund their war effort?

[RibaldRon]

I didn't really want to reply but..

DRZ isn't a problem anyways, it's "just" a single clan, not even the biggest one.

..I'm not too familiar with NA politics but weren't Chaos and LLJK allied? If properly organized those two clans could've fought off the attack. Maybe not now since they were at war with Hospitallers but that's not a matter of getting pwned because of massive factions bullying tiny factions, it's just a matter of good timing from DRZ.

Firstly, as somebody mentioned,  DRZ had a lot of support, even from the Nords.


And Chaos and LLJK *were* allied, but that ended before DRZ showed up, and what was left of LLJK turned back into tribal warriors, see: Knights of Antioch, allied with DRZ as best I can tell.  We wouldn't have been able to defeat DRZ,  even with the combined  might of those two groups - we likely could not have done it with the...

Hospitallers, who also started the war in NA against us, and then begged DRZ to come and intervene.  So, yeah, it's basically our fault that DRZ outmaneuvered us. 

I don't think being attacked by bandits is major concern either way as long as you protect your caravans well enough. Don't have to be in a mega alliance to have your caravans get there and back safely.

Everybody in EU just pummeled wataga, and that's pretty much your only bandit clan - the majority of your territories are open to non-NA factions, and even some NA factions.  That's not true in the NA third of the map.  Our caravans get constantly attacked in the EU portion of the map, regardless of any formal hostilities between factions.  When I was with LLJK, our trader had to have an army to make it through your lands.

I have seen EU traders moving hundreds of crates with no troops.

I would say that you have secured your trade routes using diplomacy.

Seems to me that a lot of people are too scared to attack the UIF and so they let them get away with a lot, and you're either for them or against them.  It's only a matter of time before individual neutral factions get targetted.  Red Lotus stayed out of all the NA conflicts, but Hospitallers still took their land at the end.  That weight has to get thrown around somewhere.

[CrazyCracka420]

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Quote from: chadz

"No matter how long you guys cry - I will not give in to dumbing strategus down because some people just want battles. If all you want are battles, then play cRPG, not strat. There are other people who like advanced gameplay."

Stategus is a Grand Stategy game.

This means that to win you need to do multiple things well: 1. Battles 2. Diplomacy 3. Trade 4. Recruit
If you focus on one and neglect others you fail.

Some people seem to be too stupid to grasp the simple fact that Stategus isnt a clan battle torunament with rules to make it fair ^^ You may be the greatest 10 man fighting force in world history but that doesnt mean you will win <3

Size matters deal with it. As in history manpower actually matters and it always will, instead of moaning that your 20 man faction cant take out a 100 man faction 1 on 1 and demanding changes to make it possible i suggest that you PLAY THE GAME.

IE make alliances, seek diplomacy hell maybe in war think about surrendering land to secure peace (shock horror in games like this wars dont have to end in total defeat you can cede lands!)


Basically im just sick of every retard who isnt on top in strat comming here and whining like a total bitch about how strat is unfair It isnt unfair. somewhere you failed. real strat suggestions get ignored because the whole section is filled with QQ from losers. Hell my faction has won lands and is losing lands. Just because our alliance isnt strong enough to beat Greys + Nords doesnt mean that stategus is broken it simply means that they are stronger. They may be stronger in terms of economy/players or skill but they are stronger and are winning and thats how it should be.


That said just remember this you dont have a right to hold lands or even survive strat just because you lose it doesnt mean its unfair <3


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To generic NA players who blame DRZ. You decided to ignore the obvious fact that they would look to NA lands. stop complaining you should have been more observant
To generic everyone. Ofc the UIF will ally up they keep winning do something about it ^^ maybe search for allies or temporary agreements. In MP eu2 games if someone got too powerfull the others acted. maybe if leaders spoke to each other they would form a temp alliance to stop drz growing.
To harpag. hands off the pope

Some people QQ about strategus, but I think the majority of suggestions and complaints are legitimate.  Strategus game mechanics are horribly flawed.  There's not a lot of incentive for factions to fight over already controlled fiefs (not like the incentive to take over AI fiefs and get money money money).  And there's no penalty for having huge expanses of land (like in Single Player how you have have tax inefficiency if you own more than a certain amount of fiefs).  Hell half the fucking castles and towns are still AI controlled 6 months into this version of strategus. 

Sure some complaints about factions allying are just people whining because they don't understand strategy.  But to ignore the obvious flaws and issues with strategus, and keep patting yourselves on the back is fucking retarded.  Strategus has horrible, game breaking issues that need to be fixed.  Go look through the last 4 months of suggestions and you will realize there have been dozens of GREAT suggestions people have made for improving strategus, and you get nothing but crickets for a response from the devs.

The fact that developers are willing to spend their time adding pixel crack and making things look pretty for c-rpg, instead of improving strategus is really all that needs to be said about their opinion on strategus.  In their mind it's running perfectly, which as anyone with an objective opinion can see, it clearly has some very flawed game mechanics (not to mention just general improvements people have suggested that would make it a better game). 

[Xant]

I didn't really want to reply but..
Firstly, as somebody mentioned,  DRZ had a lot of support, even from the Nords.

... What? Nords never supported DRZ, unless you mean mercing in Strat battles is support. Don't think many Nords did that either, seeing as it's NA ping.

[Tomas_of_Miles]

I think mercing has often been associated with allying.

[Turboflex]

Everybody in EU just pummeled wataga, and that's pretty much your only bandit clan - the majority of your territories are open to non-NA factions, and even some NA factions.  That's not true in the NA third of the map.  Our caravans get constantly attacked in the EU portion of the map, regardless of any formal hostilities between factions.  When I was with LLJK, our trader had to have an army to make it through your lands.

I have seen EU traders moving hundreds of crates with no troops.

I would say that you have secured your trade routes using diplomacy.

After my clan lost Ambean, we evacuated south and ended up hanging out in Tshibitan (or something, empty fief owned by LL I think) for about a week. Every single day we saw a half dozen EU trade caravans pass by the SE-NW route, all loaded up with 300-500 crates. All through nice flat plains too, no forests or rivers to bother the peaceful EU traders. Strategus was setup as complete easy mode for these clans, and even when a clan like DRZ finally moves they attack a weaker clan already fully engaged in a war. Not all EU clans are guilty of this of course (some like Nords/templars did fight), but the ones who didn't do anything but peacefully stockpile for months via a truced up caravan pipeline know who they are. Again if you are playing a "sophisticated stratagy game", you are definitely playing it on easy mode.

[Osiris]

"
@ The original poster - how can you complain about other clans/people playing Strat for reasons other than total victory when the sole admitted aim of the entire Templar block for Strat 3.0 was to kill the Fallen Brigade?  You achieved your aim, but now you are complaining about people wanting to be able to play Strat with similar small goals and ambitions?"

Im going to spell this out for those of you who seem to think that because im a templar my post means nothing

I am not a leader of the Templars and as such i do not make strat policy, (i also dont remember our sole goal for strat being killing the fallens but if thats what you wish to think)

This isnt about NA vs EU. Its one map one world and one game If as you say its true that NA clans hate each other more then anyone on EU well it is your right to spend all your efforts on the total destruction of other NA clans. But then what gives you the right to moan when someone from EU hits you ^^.



Im all for strategus changes. ones that make it more fun for the individual. what we dont need is 100 suggestions about limiting clan sizes/alliances just because you want to fight lots of small wars. This is a game played by Humans and as such there will always be solid powerbases and alliances. Limit the size of clans and alliances and you can be 100% sure that they will work around it :p

IMO the devs would have more fun (if you like tedius coding then getting flamed to hell for your efforts fun ofc ) and be more productive if they focused on making strat more interactive and make more to do for individual players. Devs shouldnt have to step in due to strategus politics.

[Crazyi]

In all honestly most of this post is saying what is wrong and I think most people are aware of that even if they wish to ignore it. There are 50 posts stating what is wrong, with little on trying to say a way to improve it. Focus the effort on trying to improve it and if you present a problem, try to present a solution as well? I have what I feel is fairly reasonable idea to improving strat and I would love all the feedback possible. I would ask that you keep it constructive even though I know that is asking a lot.

"I like it for the following reasons"
"I dislike it for the following reasons"

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,28338.0.html

[Osiris]

ive made a few i think. only one i thought had a decent chance for being implemented was this one (credit to ptx it was mostly his idea but he is lazier then even i am )

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,24751.msg357448.html#msg357448