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Re: KONY 2012, Invis. Children, Thoughts/Critiques/More
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2012, 07:15:35 pm »
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"Kony 2012 is a scam. Only 30% of donations went to it last year. Also he ain't in Uganda. Follow blindly where the masses tell you like the sheep you are, morons."

Quoted from youtube :wink:

"Only 30% of donations went to it last year. Also he ain't in Uganda" is this true?

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Re: KONY 2012, Invis. Children, Thoughts/Critiques/More
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2012, 07:26:20 pm »
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"Kony 2012 is a scam. Only 30% of donations went to it last year. Also he ain't in Uganda. Follow blindly where the masses tell you like the sheep you are, morons."

Quoted from youtube :wink:

"Only 30% of donations went to it last year. Also he ain't in Uganda" is this true?

He's floating somewhere in between several countries in central Africa. Probably in the Democratic Republic of Congo, but he could be in the C.A.R.
Why does it matter where he is? Every regional country has a stake in stopping this borderless warlord- especially Uganda, since so many of its native children are still in the LRA's ranks of child soldiers. And in my opinion, it's not just a regional issue anyways, it's a massive human rights concern for the entire world.

Money was spent on the three focus programs of Invisible Children. See here: http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html

Again, it's great to critique, but the critics so far have been rather foolish in applying facts to logic and blurring the lines of fact and opinion.

Addendum: I guess they just say it's a "Uganda" issue for the very reason you posted this comment- it's easier for people who aren't familiar with African issues to think in terms of nations. It's still not wrong, but it doesn't paint the whole picture (for simplicity's sake?).
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Re: KONY 2012, Invis. Children, Thoughts/Critiques/More
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2012, 07:34:42 pm »
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My Statement was meant more general for all the people crying about Kony right now.You see it fucking everywhere on Facebook and the net.Most of those people dont even know where Uganda is.

I just cant stand People who are Political commited all of a sudden when something gets more into the light of the media and such, while they dont give a shit or even know about it all the time before :D
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Re: KONY 2012, Invis. Children, Thoughts/Critiques/More
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2012, 08:05:25 pm »
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My Statement was meant more general for all the people crying about Kony right now.You see it fucking everywhere on Facebook and the net.Most of those people dont even know where Uganda is.

I just cant stand People who are Political commited all of a sudden when something gets more into the light of the media and such, while they dont give a shit or even know about it all the time before :D

People are busy. If they don't find out, you know... like through massive Youtube campaigns, how can they care about something they know nothing about?

I'm surely not educated on everything. Hence, I applaud these awareness programs (when they're worth being aware of) and those who are compassionate enough to receive them. Criticizing someone for being ignorant is one thing. Criticizing them for becoming informed and caring seems rather counter-intuitive.

I guess I'm just inclined to condemn a man for being without compassion, not for being belatedly compassionate!

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http://securingrights.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/lets-talk-about-kony/
Great commentary on where this PR campaign should, or maybe must, go. There's a great report that I've just started skimming at the end of the article.
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Re: KONY 2012, Invis. Children, Thoughts/Critiques/More
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2012, 08:37:28 pm »
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Sticking posters around different cities in the world is helping africa a damn shit. Facebook Sharing the "OMG THIZ MONY SO BAD !!!! STOP HIM THAN ALL GOOOD !!!!" stuff doesn´t make a difference for africa. And also why now? Just because of Facebook being this popular?

Africa is a problem on its own, you can´t demonstrate against something like that, nothing will change the good intetion of this video will be forgotten rather sooner then later. And if even if Kony is killed the attention will be gone.

What is probably pissing me off the most is, that the majority of the support only comes if you give them some sort of Emotional stuff. Most of them never cared about africa before nor will after this action. And the organistation doesn´t seem to be more honorable than other who are helping africa since a longer time in a way more efficient way.

Exfucking-actly.... couldn't agree more. I want to slap the next bitch who says lets make kony famous. So dumb and ignorant.

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Re: KONY 2012, Invis. Children, Thoughts/Critiques/More
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2012, 08:38:56 pm »
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donate money to invisible children to save their company from going bankrupt and make posters to make kony president of usa

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Re: KONY 2012, Invis. Children, Thoughts/Critiques/More
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2012, 08:40:20 pm »
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Troyicide, a perpetual fountain of intelligence and wisdom blossoming into enlightenment.

Speaking of, there's also this. If we can't agree, at least we can all laugh!
http://www.quickmeme.com/Kony/?upcoming
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Re: KONY 2012, Invis. Children, Thoughts/Critiques/More
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2012, 11:14:38 pm »
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2012, 11:24:04 pm »
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As much as I hate emotional propaganda like this and consider it dangerous, I think the issue is real, and deserves attention.

Still, I can't help but to think that a propaganda strategy like this is neutral, and could be used for promoting everything. YMCA became influencial through exactly the same thing. In this case, it is pretty safe to say that Kony dude should be arrested, but sometimes the masses forget about moderation in their judgment, and "good vs evil" messages use this to get downright wrong ideas widely accepted.

Now, a cold and realistic analysis of the situation, of course taking into account the "wrongness" of the acts, might appeal more to extreme rationalists like me, but not to the larger public.


Btw Garem, not a single word about Liberia ?

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Re: KONY 2012, Invis. Children, Thoughts/Critiques/More
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2012, 11:58:20 pm »
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Re: KONY 2012, Invis. Children, Thoughts/Critiques/More
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2012, 02:04:47 am »
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I'm not as familiar with modern problems in Liberia, honestly. I know that they have similar combat zone problems, I just don't know the condition of the situation in 2012 so I would have been speaking about a very serious issue with mere guesses.

Although it was the first country I facepalmed for forgetting when I finally did look at a map. Liberia has an amazingly interesting history. Their capital city looks a lot like the style of old Charleston, South Carolina. Why? Because Liberia was where the masses of former slaves landed when leaving the US after the Civil War, the same workers built both cities. It's also why their flag mirrors our own! Another fun note- Liberia is a major nation for registering cruise liners. Partly because of the flag looking like the US's, but mostly because it's super cheap.

My focus is on West Africa, though. During my college days, because of my work in Kenya starting in 2008 and many of my friends active in STAND, I started learning about what was going on and studying African history with a focus on the late Colonial and post-Colonial Africa. This was all in the context of a political science degree focusing on American law, political philosophy, and International Relations. I'm not a specialist or expert on African issues. Just a student, subject to being wrong or misremembering from time to time!

I kind of feel you, Kafein, on the "emotional propaganda" thing. I've not yet come to settle on the "ends justifying the means" question in general. I'm just a pragmatist- hell, I directly wrote that we should kill children in the OP.

But this might work and cold rationalism certainly won't. So by being rational, the odds are better on doing it the emotionally-driven way, even if it's not the right way. Whatever leaves the world better in the long-run is the way I'm going to go.
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Re: KONY 2012, Invis. Children, Thoughts/Critiques/More
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2012, 12:56:37 am »
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This is all to steer young people away from the real issues (elections and the truth about Syria) and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon like lemmings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DO73Ese25Y
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/uganda/9131469/Joseph-Kony-2012-growing-outrage-in-Uganda-over-film.html
http://blackstarnews.com/news/135/ARTICLE/8007/2012-03-08.html

Notice how this is promoted everywhere on TV, the Internet, all social media, there's a collective push ("forced" via education) at the exact same time from all directions, that speaks to organized propaganda, especially if you look at what is being reported by those who've actually BEEN in Uganda. Someone doesn't want people to pay attention these days.

That said, obviously there are issues in Africa, real issues, identical to those proclaimed to still persist in Uganda.
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Re: KONY 2012, Invis. Children, Thoughts/Critiques/More
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2012, 01:38:55 am »
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