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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2012, 10:02:48 pm »
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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2012, 10:26:39 pm »
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I have to say that this intepretation being discussed is silly.

So you can't poke someone STRAIGHT through an object, but if you go STRAIGHT through the object and then TURN before you hit your enemy, it is OKAY?
I think that the difference is that in one case you abuse the pike's hitbox go go straight through a large solid object with no nearby openings in order to kill people who you cannot see on the other side (I.E. a tall village or castle wall) VS turning your swing around a corner to hit somebody in a tight space.

*Edit: I know the former is against the rules as I've seen it happen before, though the admin gave a pass on it as the player was the last alive, and out of map bounds.  Both players received warnings.  As for the latter it happens all the time and AFAIK is not against the rules.


Bolts fly out of the player's face, not out of the crossbow so I'm calling bullshit on this.
This has happened to me before on the duel server.  When somebody has a bow or crossbow I always let them take some shots first.  They ran right up to me, and I'm thinking.. what... the crossbow peeks through the shield and headshot.
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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2012, 11:00:07 pm »
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This has happened to me before on the duel server.  When somebody has a bow or crossbow I always let them take some shots first.  They ran right up to me, and I'm thinking.. what... the crossbow peeks through the shield and headshot.
It's shooting over the shield. Even though they are aiming forward. Yeah...
Ever seen a thrower that mastered jump throwing? They run up close range, jump and throw down over shields and headshot people. Crossbows can sometimes just shoot over it by being close and it originating from their face.
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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2012, 11:48:38 pm »
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I see a lot of the kutt and occitan guys intentionally doing this. It is clearly an exploit if you can repeatedly abuse it and poke players who physically cannot get to you without any danger to yourself. Admins should start kicking/banning this.
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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2012, 02:38:30 am »
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I see a lot of the kutt and occitan guys intentionally doing this. It is clearly an exploit if you can repeatedly abuse it and poke players who physically cannot get to you without any danger to yourself. Admins should start kicking/banning this.


Just playing by the rules Jesus, playing by the rules. It's been an accepted standard to curve your pike or spear around a corner for a long while. It most times does not deal anywhere near the damage you'd normally attract with a hit though, as Brunch Lady found out.
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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2012, 03:02:10 am »
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It's shooting over the shield. Even though they are aiming forward. Yeah...
Ever seen a thrower that mastered jump throwing? They run up close range, jump and throw down over shields and headshot people. Crossbows can sometimes just shoot over it by being close and it originating from their face.

Oh man, I just remembered the first time Chestaclese jump headshotted me over my shield... I was a mad nerd for hours...

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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2012, 08:12:12 am »
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Just playing by the rules Jesus, playing by the rules. It's been an accepted standard to curve your pike or spear around a corner for a long while. It most times does not deal anywhere near the damage you'd normally attract with a hit though, as Brunch Lady found out.

I guess it's an ethical issue then, and what separates the professional pikers from the peasant pikers  :mrgreen:
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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2012, 05:10:31 pm »
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It's shooting over the shield. Even though they are aiming forward. Yeah...
Ever seen a thrower that mastered jump throwing? They run up close range, jump and throw down over shields and headshot people. Crossbows can sometimes just shoot over it by being close and it originating from their face.
I throw like that all the time, I was actually pretty good at it at one point (I feel ma' skillz decline day by day), could even achieve it on EU_3 where the shielder got no distractions back then.
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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2012, 06:09:47 am »
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So I was just piked straight through a box on the tiny guantlet level. Reported it to the admins. No warning or anything was even said. So I would like to ask again whats up with this ruling? I would really love to see one of the head admins comment on this. I would like to abuse it too if nothing is going to be done to people who do it. I would much rather see it enforced but I like to play on an even field.

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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2012, 06:39:24 am »
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A lot of times people will jump, release the pike, and on your screen the pike will appear through the box. The best way to describe the pike's hitbox is a donut wrapping around the shaft of the pike starting at the midway area (thus why it goes through walls). Pikemen need to maneuver the pike to move that donut down the shaft and feed the donut to the enemy (sometimes your teammates inadvertently). So, with that said, start the pikes animation while coming around a wall is no different than a mauler starting theirs or someone slashing at the corner of a building, it's simply our animations take longer to trigger.


While I do agree stabbing directly through objects is pretty sad in itself, I cannot say I haven't done it unintentionally. There are times as a pikeman you say "Hmm, curving this pike around that corner worked...let's try getting it around this one." only to find that feasibly it wouldn't have worked in a realistic setting and sometimes just ends with you exploiting the wall and it looks really bad on your part. I try to avoid using the over-or-around wall stabs, simply because it induces complaints. It's not a big deal to curve it around walls or through windows or through doors (like the criss-crossing wooden ones that have openings).

What is a big deal is when you start curving it up OVER walls that are higher than your character's height, or start abusing thin object layers that you can stab through i.e. the vines in the cabbage patches or a slit in a wall you otherwise wouldn't be able to put the pike through and replicate the angle of it.


Hope that shines some light on what I think is "legal" and "illegal" when using the pike. Like I said before, I've unintentionally discovered a few glitches with it that I try to avoid but due to game mechanics you can't really control them. It all comes down to what is accepted by the admins and what isn't--and so far that line hasn't been drawn to a T that the community pushing for regulations on these things expect.
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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2012, 07:08:39 am »
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Alright well I just wont stand next to stuff. Ty

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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2012, 11:05:43 am »
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If the admins/developers want it to stop being exploited, instead of banning and kicking people why don't you make it not possible? If that's possible why the fuck we having these threads if they can change what so many people be getting sore about? If it's not possible then this is a really unsteady way to go about handing it.

I'm sure you could mess with the pike/hitboxes to make that not possible? Or maybe not, I'm unemployed, not a magician.
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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2012, 02:36:40 pm »
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Or maybe not, I'm unemployed, not a magician.

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Re: Rule Check
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2012, 09:07:30 am »
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Oh man, I just remembered the first time Chestaclese jump headshotted me over my shield... I was a mad nerd for hours...

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