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Offline Thomek

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2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« on: March 05, 2012, 04:55:46 am »
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Great Long Axe and Danish. They are just crowding the battlefield.

A 2h player? most likely danish.
Every polearmer or polecav pulls out a big ass axe and hiltslashes it..

Paul, Fasaderp. Do you really want this bias towards the longest ranged weapons?

I've said it a gazillion times, your formulas for 2h/pole doesn't reflect the battle power of weapons sufficiently. IMO it doesn't count in the range of weapons and weigh it in enough..

That's really the core problem. It's not some kind of superstition or romanticism with big swords that makes so many players use them. I think i.ex the Longsword is an excellent sword, perfectly usable in battle. The only problem is that there is another sword that is longer AND does more damage in cut and pierce. The experienced speed difference in game marginal, and not many wants to spend those saved $$$ on armor since it will slow them down too much. And with a shorter sword you need superior speed to not get backpedalspammed..

To be more precise. I think the reason the longest weapons are more powerful than they "should" be according to formula, is that the longest weapon will always outrange everything else (duh). And towards the end of the list of the longest wep, they outrange almost everything, and very little outrange them. So in a random selection of encounters, you get the "Backpedal and get free slash effect" much more often with a long wep.  So the metagame adapts to this, and you end up with everyone using a danish greatsword.

Now the question:
Should we nerf the longest 4 directional weapons a little bit and have a more varied battlefield?

The only melee infantry players NOT using a danish or a Great Long Axe are different variants of roleplayers.

This is not me having a problem with these weapons. It's just really boring to see so little of our amazing armory getting used.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 05:01:09 am by Thomek »
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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2012, 05:52:43 am »
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I think I saw someone using shield + 1h.  :rolleyes:

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2012, 05:56:14 am »
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Ah you don't find min-max gear choices fun either, huh Thomek?
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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2012, 06:23:20 am »
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I agree with the premise of your argument but I don't really have an opinion about any course of action.

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2012, 06:39:29 am »
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Double (or triple) the weight, slow the speed down by 2ish. Sure, more weapon stuns, but they'll be slower for choosing the weapon.

Edit: though, this doesn't really change anything long-term. Folks will just find something else that works well. Keep in mind, I'm one of those who wonder why there are so many short swords when none of them are viable in battle.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 07:00:04 am by Kalam »

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2012, 06:43:15 am »
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Bullcrap, i am 2her and i use german...  :rolleyes:

when i was pole, i was mostly running bec or long hafted knobbed, not GLA as i did not had enuff str for it  :mrgreen:

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2012, 06:58:39 am »
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The only melee infantry players NOT using a danish or a Great Long Axe are different variants of roleplayers.

That's correct. Danish and german, though.

Bullcrap, i am 2her and i use german...  :rolleyes:
Its all the same. Top-tier weapons anyway. We need some more diversity on the field.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 06:59:51 am by Logen »

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2012, 07:13:43 am »
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What's the damage done by the GLA as a percentage of the total damage done on the EU servers?

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2012, 07:20:05 am »
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GLA isn't even close to the best polearm. Long Bardiche is much better, but so much harder to get as well.
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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2012, 07:40:51 am »
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GLA is hardly used on NA except if you are going for a nordic theme, I don't see how it's the best polearm at all I can name probably 10more polearms I would rather use than it.

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2012, 07:57:37 am »
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Well, when i want to have fun, i go sword, when crowded place i go either barmace or morningstar, when feeling in the right mood, i use maul.

Depends on opportunity and map. I even tend to take longsword or goedendag time from time when i am having troubles being outspammed too often :P :) And yes, i am noob :mrgreen:

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2012, 07:58:56 am »
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and this is why metagame is important to factor in when you balance i guess?

almost never see danish/GLA on na lol

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2012, 08:02:04 am »
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GLA isn't long either. Poleaxe is long and much better than GLA but I guess not many people use it because of looks (it's kinda fugly). Or they fear that 89 speed is too slow (which is not). GLA isn't the best polearm, not even close (basically every poleaxe is better). Seems to me that you got owned by Tor and came here crying.

Danish is the longest (stab wise) and overall best 2H (same goes for my German). Should they be nerfed? Won't that make them worse than best polearms? I'll rather buff other swords.

Long Bardiche is still unbalanced price wise, great weapon but so cheap.

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2012, 08:04:50 am »
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What's the damage done by the GLA as a percentage of the total damage done on the EU servers?

When Tor is online, about 90%. Otherwise, not more than 2% :lol:

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2012, 08:05:11 am »
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Actually the problem of the shorter weapon is the following:
+ they are cheaper
+ you get speed
- you lose damage
- you lose lot of range

=> For most 2-Hand money of the swords are no reason not to take them => You can decide to go with those long swords and get extra damage, extra range for lower speed or take the short sword and only get speed.

Not long 2H should be nerfed. Short 2H should be buffed. They should get more damage
You should chose between:
Short and fast
vs
Long and slow

not between:
Short and fast
Long and Superhighdamage and slow

PS: Nerf Mauls.
PPS: To nerf long 2H is no solution cause they are balanced vs other categories atm. You cant nerf them further.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 08:06:41 am by Camaris »