2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.

[Logen]

Well current upkeep system is a fucked up fail anyway.

[Paul]

Polearm usage is already pretty diverse. Don't really see the GLA dominating that much there. 2h axes might get a buff.

[Wraist]

Is this devolving into a Pole vs 2her debate? I do agree that stagger should go, but 2hers and poles seem pretty balanced.

If you want, perhaps do something to promote their strengths? Such as giving 2hers +1her/Pol prof if they use their weapon in off mode [As an example, using a longsword with a shield will add 50% of your 2her prof into 1her for as long as it's used that way, or if used in half sword mode, 50% of your 2her prof will go into pole prof for as long as you use it that way, again, just examples]. That might help diversify swords or other weapons [LS/Katana/MS with shield for chasing archers, or running into pikes, 2h mode for everything else].

Edit: Apparently Vexus wrote something somewhat similar when I was typing

For poles, IDK, I used most of them until they piss me off/annoy me/fail me, then I start the cycle all over . Most of them work fine [long voluge is one of the few I wouldn't touch again] and I don't think they need any diversifying stuff from my experience against them.

[Vibe]

the only solution is to nerf ranged

[Zerran]

I'll take a long war axe any day over the GLA personally.

imo the only way to increase diversity on the battlefield would be to buff individuality and nerf follower mentality.  Just look at the kuyaks and the number of kuyak users. Armors basically increase in armor, weight, and price in a fairly even scale, and the kuyaks are in no way the best looking armor (at least imo) yet there are hordes of kuyak users. People see others using a certain item and doing well with it, and for some reason then believe that they will also be able to do that well if they take the same gear, which is of course complete bullshit.

I see nothing overpowered about either the GLA or the danish. Are they good weapons? Yes. Are they well rounded? Yes. Are they the end-all ultimate weapons? Hell no.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

I use Greatsword, whohoo I'm so very alternative.

on matter, basicly this:

I agree with the premise of your argument but I don't really have an opinion about any course of action.

Only Idea which could be worth a try is to make the top tier weapons much more expensive.

[Ninja_Khorin]

I don't see the problem with polearms, but high end 2h's are all the same. We need more high end stuff that aren't swords.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

I don't see the problem with polearms, but high end 2h's are all the same. We need more high end stuff that aren't swords.

problem is high end really depends on length here and you can't simply make axes, maces and hammers as long as the greatswords.

[Cyclopsided]

Great Long Axe and Danish. They are just crowding the battlefield.

A 2h player? most likely danish.
Every polearmer or polecav pulls out a big ass axe and hiltslashes it..

Paul, Fasaderp. Do you really want this bias towards the longest ranged weapons?

I've said it a gazillion times, your formulas for 2h/pole doesn't reflect the battle power of weapons sufficiently. IMO it doesn't count in the range of weapons and weigh it in enough..

That's really the core problem. It's not some kind of superstition or romanticism with big swords that makes so many players use them. I think i.ex the Longsword is an excellent sword, perfectly usable in battle. The only problem is that there is another sword that is longer AND does more damage in cut and pierce. The experienced speed difference in game marginal, and not many wants to spend those saved $$$ on armor since it will slow them down too much. And with a shorter sword you need superior speed to not get backpedalspammed..

To be more precise. I think the reason the longest weapons are more powerful than they "should" be according to formula, is that the longest weapon will always outrange everything else (duh). And towards the end of the list of the longest wep, they outrange almost everything, and very little outrange them. So in a random selection of encounters, you get the "Backpedal and get free slash effect" much more often with a long wep.  So the metagame adapts to this, and you end up with everyone using a danish greatsword.

Now the question:
Should we nerf the longest 4 directional weapons a little bit and have a more varied battlefield?

The only melee infantry players NOT using a danish or a Great Long Axe are different variants of roleplayers.

This is not me having a problem with these weapons. It's just really boring to see so little of our amazing armory getting used.

The answer is the exact opposite of nerfing the top weapons. it is to BUFF all the underused weapons. They aren't used because they aren't truly viable -- not because those top weapons are all that crazy better. Do you see where I'm going?

Polearm usage is already pretty diverse. Don't really see the GLA dominating that much there. 2h axes might get a buff.

Buffing the 2h axes is a step in the right direction.

[cmp]

EU1 infantry by damage dealt in a month

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total
2h    12,605,762  30.53%
pole  9,879,070   23.93%
1h    9,064,608   21.95%

2h
Danish Greatsword         2,802,119  22.23%
German Greatsword         1,294,055  10.27%
Katana                    873,424    6.93% 
Flamberge                 840,065    6.66% 
Great Sword               744,016    5.90% 
Longsword                 693,123    5.50% 
Great Maul                669,288    5.31% 
War Cleaver               464,853    3.69% 
Mallet                    350,246    2.78% 
Heavy Bastard Sword       327,028    2.59% 
Highland Claymore         321,434    2.55% 
Sword of War              294,822    2.34% 
Miaodao                   278,653    2.21% 
Morningstar               273,647    2.17% 
Nodachi                   232,835    1.85% 
Bastard Sword             229,874    1.82% 
Mace                      224,362    1.78% 
Dadao                     223,519    1.77% 
Two Handed Sword          203,011    1.61% 
Shortened Military Scythe 151,530    1.20% 
-- snip, other crap --

pole
Long Spear               997,359  10.10%
Great Long Axe           889,299  9.00% 
Heavy Lance              595,585  6.03% 
War Spear                588,434  5.96% 
Awlpike                  472,374  4.78% 
Pike                     421,570  4.27% 
Long Hafted Blade        404,460  4.09% 
Long War Axe             374,609  3.79% 
Swiss Halberd            350,430  3.55% 
Long Awlpike             343,742  3.48% 
Bamboo Spear             331,902  3.36% 
Poleaxe                  316,024  3.20% 
German Poleaxe           296,916  3.01% 
Ashwood Pike             291,876  2.95% 
Bec de Corbin            286,713  2.90% 
Elegant Poleaxe          257,043  2.60% 
Great Long Bardiche      244,530  2.48% 
Long Bardiche            224,579  2.27% 
Glaive                   221,226  2.24% 
Long Maul                197,794  2.00% 
Quarter Staff            185,303  1.88% 
Scythe                   152,189  1.54% 
Light Lance              138,325  1.40% 
Long Axe                 128,516  1.30% 
Fauchard                 124,333  1.26% 
Lance                    107,481  1.09% 
English Bill             102,964  1.04% 
-- snip, other crap --

1h
Nordic Champion's Sword     1,392,840  15.37%
Elite Scimitar              818,156    9.03% 
Arabian Cavalry Sword       781,106    8.62% 
Knightly Arming Sword       638,264    7.04% 
Niuweidao                   464,277    5.12% 
Steel Pick                  441,379    4.87% 
Italian Sword               430,860    4.75% 
Long Espada Eslavona        377,956    4.17% 
Broad One Handed Battle Axe 325,910    3.60% 
Warhammer                   272,719    3.01% 
Nordic War Sword            246,355    2.72% 
Scimitar                    221,644    2.45% 
Military Cleaver            219,615    2.42% 
Liuyedao                    218,718    2.41% 
Iberian Mace                191,217    2.11% 
Langes Messer               124,868    1.38% 
Long Arming Sword           113,583    1.25% 
Military Hammer             105,081    1.16% 
Shashka                     98,698     1.09% 
-- snip, other crap --

[Vibe]

Nice stats, lol at DGS damage

[Moncho]

EU1 infantry by damage dealt in a month

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Can we please see a similar one but with ranged, to check the horn/rus/long bows comparison? (and xbows too, although i dont know much about them)

Nice stats, lol at DGS damage

qft here

[Gravoth_iii]

I dont think you need to nerf them, leave them as they are. Makes longswords special when so few use them and imo it is alot better than the greatswords. Or you could increase the damage on the shorter swords, make them hit like a danish/german. The Greatswords have the reach, the shorter swords have the speed.

[Xant]

Wow, long spears dealt the most damage out of all polearms? That's.. interesting.

[[ptx]]

And still less than 2nd most popular 2her, considering they are widely used "utility" weapons