Axes: Polearm vs 2-Handed

[Leshma]

Hence me agreeing with you that the polearm axes are longer than the 2h axes (the way it should be IMO).  And the 2h axes are faster (as they should be IMO).  I think all polearms should "generally" be longer and slower than 2h's.  But generally (except for comparing axes) it seems like 2h's are longer and slower than polearms.

2H axes are faster than poleaxes only on equipment page.

[Dezilagel]

2H axes are faster than poleaxes only on equipment page.

Not this bullshit again, please.

I'm a 2h/pole hybrid and I can tell that that shit is complete bull.

Try swinging a poleaxe and a one of the greatswords with the same wpf and you can clearly tell the difference.

[Gurnisson]

2H axes are faster than poleaxes only on equipment page.

You're the most biased and ignorant person in the world.

[Leshma]

I wasn't talking about "that". They are effectively slower because the are unbalanced. Duh.

Please don't lynch me, my dear polemy old friend comrades

[B3RS3RK]

For the record, iam a Pole/2h hybrid.

And I know both sides of the axe really well(ha!).

They both are great weapons, and considering the individual price, they are well balanced.

Wouldnt hurt much though to remove the Unbalanced tag from for example the great axe if the price is raised by 2k or so

[Leshma]

For me price has never been an issue. Bring it on.

[B3RS3RK]

It´s not an issue, but then we could buff all weapons to the point they are as awesome as the best ones and make them all cost 15k gold.

[Leshma]

Well there would be still some weapons left for new players. Some of them are very good, mostly polearms tho.

As I said, upkeep is kinda pointless in last 6 months or so. Same goes for item prices.

[B3RS3RK]

It isn´t pointless.

You make money faster with cheaper gear.

Price is a part of balance, if you like it or not.

That means, Specific stats or abilities cost more.

If you want to buff 2h axes, increase their price.Simple as that.

[Jarlek]

I read what you posted. You did a completely unfair comparison, of which you think it invalidates my argument that polearms have a damage advantage. It does not. When I am talking about which class does the most damage I don't get the 3 most extreme examples to show that 2H have the highest damage in the three damage types. That is completely unrepresentative.

Just try to take a good look at which weapons get used a lot in both classes, ignore weapons that are one trick ponies and make a good comparison. I'm sure you'll get to the right conclusion.

You are completely right Teeth. How could I EVER believe that when someone said "polearms do more damage than 2handers" they claimed that polearms does more damage than two handers! HAH! Silly me! I obviously should have understood that they meant "polearms have slightly more overall damage on all the attack directions if you also add in the contributing factors of reach, speed and other effects, both positive and negative, of the weapons, and not necessarily pure damage." So my apologies for mixing up those two so similarly sounding opinions.

*sigh*

What about YOU do a comparison that isn't "unfair", instead of bitching about how wrong I am without coming with any proper arguments? Saying that it was an unfair comparison isn't really helpful at all. And yes, I DID make a comparison with the highest damaging weapons, because that was what I was trying to do. What part of "which one of polearms and 2hands does the most damage" means I SHOULDN'T use the highest damaging weapons? Should I have done the test with the LEAST damaging weapons? A randomly selected weapon from each group? Please tell me, no wait, do it yourself. As long as you don't come up with anything better than whine, then my test is what we have. So please. Show me a test where you show that polearms does higher damage than the 2handers.

[Slamz]

So what I get out of all of this is that 2H axes should probably just get a speed boost.  It will make them a more viable infantry weapon without overpowering them for horses.


Although I think another option would be to give them "knockdown".  If it's going to be so heavy as to be "unbalanced", why not a knockdown chance too?

I could say the same thing about the morning star but the morning star is already a dangerous weapon because it's such a high damage piercing weapon -- there's at least some sense in using it in a team setting.  2H Axes get all of the suck of slashing plus all of the suck of unbalanced and are slow on top of that.  I don't think any serious players use 2H axes.  The poleaxes are fun because they aren't unbalanced but the 2H axes are just no fun to use.

[Christo]

iirc only blunt damage can knockdown.

Anyway, the change you're suggesting would mess things up way too much.

Speed increase sounds good though, or something little. But knockdown? o.O