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Str Archer (high PD) - is it viable?
« on: February 10, 2012, 10:57:28 am »
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Hey guys!

Recently, I wanted to make an archer.

But what really makes me  :?:, is the question of high str archers. Are high PD archers viable? How accurate are they? Does dmg makes up for less speed (I guess longbow is the way to go for str archer? isnt it?) and worse accuracy? Cause I don't want a reticule like from here to Mexico.

Also, a bonus question: do Bodkin Arrows work with every bow? I mean, do Bodkin arrows make a Hunting Bow piercing dmg?

Oh, and the final question: If str isn't viable, what archer build is viable and still pucks a punch?
« Last Edit: February 10, 2012, 11:02:51 am by Dravic »

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Re: Str Archer (high PD) - is it viable?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 11:14:46 am »
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I am right now an archer with 5 PD and 155 wpf and this is the bare minimum wpf i would suggest for 5 PD. (right now i am 15/21)
For 6 PD, I think the recommended (for good accuracy) was no less than 160 wpf.
This is of course in very light armor, due to the wpf penalty: 14 wpf per PD (i think, but something along those lines), and the armor weight afterwards.
If you have experience as an archer and have a pretty good aim, then I would suggest you to test it, something like this build (at most)
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It will be pretty unaccurate, but if it hits (especially with bodkin arrows) it will give a neat punch. You wont be able to run (ah, going in EU 1 and in my first round causing a draw, the pleasure :) ).
And yes, bodkins give pierce to every bow, I have more than once when leveling up shot someone with a low tier bow and still hurt due to bodkins.
About accuracy, it will be bad, as your effective wpf will be 35 (so good luck). The longbow will suck, your reticule will get huge before you can actually release the arrow.
For something more realistic, I would go 21/18, my build below:
(this is coming from someone who has been a pure longbowman for 2 gens with 21/18)
This one isnt pinpoint accuracy either, but it is doable, at least i could do it:
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Re: Str Archer (high PD) - is it viable?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 11:19:32 am »
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Came up with this:

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 21
Agility: 21
Hit points: 56
Skills to attributes: 14
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 0
Shield: 0
Athletics: 3
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 7
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 7
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 163
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

Probably an STF test.

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Re: Str Archer (high PD) - is it viable?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 11:24:41 am »
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Short version
More than 7PD is problematic. Slow, inaccurate, and expensive. Playable at siege servers, if you wanna roleplay ballista.
And no variety at all. Draaaaaaaaaaaaw, aim... miss, draaaaaaaaaaaaaaw.. aim.miss..... draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw... aim..bodyshotkillpeasant.....draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa(angry infantry kill you)

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Re: Str Archer (high PD) - is it viable?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 11:26:13 am »
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That one should be good, but you are missing on a very important thing: survivability...
You will be light armoured, and 0 PS means not many chances in melee (unless you're a pro)
The 3 athl might be enough, due to the low weight, but consider as well that longbow + 2 sets of bodkins is 7.7 (kg?) weight, and this slows you a bit.
But this is all without knowing much about those builds, i've always preferred to have running AND melee capabilities, choosin depending on each situation.
Good luck with the build, and I would like to hear some feedback (might be a nice alt for when i rage at hitting someone 6 times and him not dying

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Re: Str Archer (high PD) - is it viable?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 11:29:20 am »
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Do you have any build for longbowman?

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Re: Str Archer (high PD) - is it viable?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2012, 11:43:11 am »
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the 21/18 above, what you lose in accuracy, you get with the 4 ps and a blunt weapon (probably pickaxe, or mace if you decide to use your shots very carefully)
But yet again, i made that build back when the longbow was the only piercing bow, and i know that there have been nerfs, i just dont know how bad, as i was a shielder for a few months until a couple of weeks back i deleted my main and went archer/2her...

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Re: Str Archer (high PD) - is it viable?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2012, 11:51:18 am »
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Do you have any build for longbowman?

I suggest you that 21/21 build. High PD increases your drawing time and decrease your accuracy. I don't feel accurate with more than 7PD. By the way, that is a level 31 build. You can go if you want to a level 30 build but you'll forced to have 3 athletics. Bodkin or tatars? Is your choose.

For example:
7PD archer + longbow + bodkin arrows = (31 + 0p) * [1 +(14*7)/100] = 61,38p base damage
7PD archer + longbow + tatar arrows = (31 + 4c) * [1 +(14*7)/100]    = 69,38c base damage

When you have loomed arrows and bow:
7PD archer + MW longbow + MW bodkin arrows = (34 + 2p) * [1 +(14*7)/100] = 71.28p base damage
7PD archer + MW longbow + MW tatar arrows = (34 + 6c) * [1 +(14*7)/100]    = 79.2c base damage

Here is the reason why people whine when they get shoot by an MW longbow guy. :-) That is only "base" damage without adding any positive or negative speed bonus. But, one thing. You have 50 reload speed. That is a pain in the ass. Forget to duel with another archers and don't try to be a kitty archer without having enough distance to draw your shoot.

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Re: Str Archer (high PD) - is it viable?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2012, 12:43:30 pm »
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OK.

I'll take the Bodkins i guess. A bit better deal if you ask me, pierce dmg let's me "bite" an armored target.

Thank you very much El_Infante.

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Re: Str Archer (high PD) - is it viable?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2012, 12:45:07 pm »
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354 gold at every round. Little truth about bodkins

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Re: Str Archer (high PD) - is it viable?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2012, 01:20:12 pm »
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ye i make money since im playing with tatars :D