1h pure as class

[Karmazyn]

What reasons are given to let people play as 1h pure class?
What game play reasons can we add to the mod in order to encourage people to try out a 1h class without shield?

Thank you.

[Teeth]

A speed bonus, but that would make one handers really quick.

[Vance]

You are more likely to do more damage with no shield, and you are able to block faster, and strike faster after a block. Also I think I notice slightly less time between strikes.

Compared with 2h and polearm, 1h+shield/noshield seems to suck. But then when we bring multiple opponents and missiles into play it becomes more viable.

[bruce]

What game play reasons can we add to the mod in order to encourage people to try out a 1h class without shield?

The main advantage of a onehander is that you can use a shield. That's the only logically feasible advantage they can have. Well, ok, being cheaper maybe (which isn't true).

[Xant]

1h without a shield is already very viable.

[Kalam]

Only thing needed to strengthen it is lowering the effects of weapon stun. That would probably be too much, though.

[Punisher]

1h with no shield is already lightning fast, you can pick up a sidesword and spam your way to heaven, the only downside is the smaller range, so I really don't think it needs more buffing.

[Dravic]

Average build for ninja is 12 str 27 agi, from what i heard, and they use 4 ps 9 athletics.

If you want to play 1h without shield, the only advantage i can think off is more agi. I already tested 2 ps 6 str 33 agi with Niuweidao, and it was ENOUGH to not bounce off at the time due to very high speed bonus. If you are going to heirloom Niuweidao, it is even more viable.

Now, why Niuweidao?
Answer is simply: only 6 str requirements.

Look at this builds:

Ninja (average) build:

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 12
Agility: 27
Hit points: 49
Converted: 8
Ironflesh: 1
Power Strike: 4
Shield: 0
Athletics: 9
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 9
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 181
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

1h ninja build:

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 6
Agility: 33
Hit points: 41
Converted: 8
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 2
Shield: 0
Athletics: 11
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 10
One Handed: 190
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

As you can see, it is much faster. MUCH faster. Why MUCH? Simply: average player has about 6 athletics, better in manual block players has often 7 athletics, and you have big advantage of 4(!) more athletics and 12(!) more agi.

[Bifi]

190 WPF in 1h is useless, take 150 and 135 on polearms or 2h

[Bobthehero]

I go the other way around, got 28 (or 29) str and 9 agi with a long espada eslanova, can one shot most people with a stab in the face, a bit slow but I dont care.

Personally I think the fact that 1 handers are faster allows you to pump more str and so you can be as fast as someone who got more agi but use a 2 hander while dealing almost the same amount of damage due to the high powerstrike.

[Xant]

Uh, Dravic. With 2 powerstrike and 6 strength, I could just pretend RMB doesn't exist and spam until you die, ignoring all your attacks.

[Punisher]

Uh, Dravic. With 2 powerstrike and 6 strength, I could just pretend RMB doesn't exist and spam until you die, ignoring all your attacks.

I don't think spamming works against a full agi 1h build like that he should easily chamber and outspam you.

[Seawied]

I don't think spamming works against a full agi 1h build like that he should easily chamber and outspam you.

Won't really matter. With 2 ps, when I'm in my heavier armor, won't do squat damage to me. Just wait for an inevitable wiff and punish the hell out of them.


I've done some experiments with 6 strength builds. They don't work.

[Xant]

I don't think spamming works against a full agi 1h build like that he should easily chamber and outspam you.

Err, that's the point, see. He can hit me as much as he likes, it won't matter at all because of his 2 PS.

[Spawny]

I go the other way around, got 28 (or 29) str and 9 agi with a long espada eslanova, can one shot most people with a stab in the face, a bit slow but I dont care.

Personally I think the fact that 1 handers are faster allows you to pump more str and so you can be as fast as someone who got more agi but use a 2 hander while dealing almost the same amount of damage due to the high powerstrike.

You're basically as fast as a 2h, dealing about the same damage but with less reach.

The only reason to play 1h/no shield is style. Other than that, you're better off with polearms/2h in every aspect.