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Re: Idea regarding cavalry upkeep
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2012, 09:18:55 pm »
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My (egoistic) feelings exactly. I try to play only when I'm in a good day (good day kdr: 17-2, bad day kdr: 6-5, I don't know about my average multi), and I slowly earn money with that setup :

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Funny to see many long time horsemen disaggree to a reduction of cav upkeep. But I think this shows we don't really like the current increase in cav either x)
and most of the people here that are forum people already have shitload of money an don't need the upkeep reduction to be able to play the kind of cav they want.  :wink:
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Re: Idea regarding cavalry upkeep
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2012, 09:22:56 pm »
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I sold an heirloom and now I don't worry about upkeep.

Realism: I'm rich, thus I can now play as a heavy cavalryman.

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Re: Idea regarding cavalry upkeep
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2012, 04:28:19 am »
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Cavalry is nerfed to be on a level playing field with other classes (imo it's worse off than infantry, but then, I play in a different arena to most c-rpg players), so it makes sense to nerf the upkeep to something comparable. The original idea of upkeep was to let people play in high tier gear only when wealthy from using low tier gear, but what we have now is two balance systems that seem somewhat indipendant of each other and a few classes are much worse off for it.

Never ever see plated archers these days, though they're often shown in medieval manuscripts and were a pretty cool part of the mod back when upkeep wasn't included in the balancing factors. Of course I hated them in person, but it's a shame to see them gone. They're gone because they are subject to upkeep and they're also subject to all of the things that kept them to a minimum before upkeep.

Cavalry is still viable, but it's reduced to killing peasants and the unattentive, which seems like a pretty pathetic niche for a class with unrivalled potential upkeep.

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Re: Idea regarding cavalry upkeep
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2012, 07:04:59 am »
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Well, while upkeep does to some extent reduce the number of heavily armored archers, the far more significant issue is that armor reduces wpf, which is particularly important to archers, who cannot take advantage of their powerdraw without a sufficient amount of wpf. It's probably only worth taking heavy armor if you expect some melee fighting, but then you'll have to divert those precious wpp to melee. In terms of realism, the problem is that armor (excepting the helmet) really shouldn't influence accuracy much. At most, it should influence reload/draw speed.

It would be cool to see plated longbowmen.
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Re: Idea regarding cavalry upkeep
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2012, 10:14:26 am »
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It would be cool to see plated longbowmen.

On a horse? Uhhmmmm... NO!
The logic of war seems to be that if a belligerent can fight he will fight.

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Re: Idea regarding cavalry upkeep
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2012, 11:06:44 am »
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Well, while upkeep does to some extent reduce the number of heavily armored archers, the far more significant issue is that armor reduces wpf, which is particularly important to archers, who cannot take advantage of their powerdraw without a sufficient amount of wpf. It's probably only worth taking heavy armor if you expect some melee fighting, but then you'll have to divert those precious wpp to melee. In terms of realism, the problem is that armor (excepting the helmet) really shouldn't influence accuracy much. At most, it should influence reload/draw speed.

It would be cool to see plated longbowmen.

Exactly, that's why pre-upkeep there were a few running around, but it was by no means the majority of archers. They were already subject to the balance of the day.

Now that upkeep has been slapped on top, apparently disregarding previous balance, it's too much.

In short, it doesn't feel like upkeep balance has been very well thought out and several classes would be much better off if it were.

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Re: Idea regarding cavalry upkeep
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2012, 11:15:30 am »
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I miss the very wide range of pre-patch build diversity.  :cry:
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