Shields and archers

[Ragni_Bross]

hope all shielders will have this nerf someday

That's the point FFS.

[Mala]

... So I say nerf bucklers maybe some points but not to much, 

Buckler size was reduced several times from original shield size 25 to the current shield size 4.
The first time it was after a lot of archers complaints, while i had shield skill 10 (which counters the arrow threat) and nearly no offensive potential.

[Rebelyell]

that shield is to smal to be so awsome against archers... to small

[Bjord]

Whine some more about feinting instead, that at least gives everyone a good laugh.

[Penitent]

This isn't a nerf to bucklers as much as a minor buff to ranged...which they need.

It's all perspective.

[Herkkutatti]

Nerf leoking +1

[Ragni_Bross]

Whine some more about feinting instead, that at least gives everyone a good laugh.

I don't do Bjording any more. Some of us actually grow up. Go cry about your wooden PC somewhere else. This thread is about learning from Vikingr and improving the faulty combat system, nothing else. Don't you find it odd that bucklers are as good or even better than larger shields at blocking missiles?

I didn't mention your name or insult you in any way so there should be no reason at all for you to leave shitty comments for me.

[CrazyCracka420]

Stop.
Nerfing.
Everything.

I've been ranting about this for a month now.  Stop nerfing everything.  C-rpg is nerf upon nerf upon nerf upon nerf. 

Tell the players to suck it up and learn how to counter a classes strengths, by exploiting their weaknesses.  It's called tactics.  If people are too retarded to use tactics to overcome an obstacle, that's their fault.  It doesn't mean something needs to be nerfed.

[Mala]

... Don't you find it odd that bucklers are as good or even better than larger shields at blocking missiles?
...

Hmm, maybe it has something to do with the shape. Leoking uses the round and and he say that he can catch nearly every arrow.
I use the oval one and it works only sometimes for direct frontal attacks, but then i ahve a bit higher shieldskill, which grands you better arrow blocking.

[Ragni_Bross]

I've been ranting about this for a month now.  Stop nerfing everything.  C-rpg is nerf upon nerf upon nerf upon nerf. 

Tell the players to suck it up and learn how to counter a classes strengths, by exploiting their weaknesses.  It's called tactics.  If people are too retarded to use tactics to overcome an obstacle, that's their fault.  It doesn't mean something needs to be nerfed.

Ehm I'm a shielder myself. What I'm suggesting would decrease the efficiency of most shields. What were you saying again?

[Ragni_Bross]

Hmm, maybe it has something to do with the shape. Leoking uses the round and and he say that he can catch nearly every arrow.
I use the oval one and it works only sometimes for direct frontal attacks, but then i ahve a bit higher shieldskill, which grands you better arrow blocking.

But why would it ever catch arrows coming at your feet or at your head? In Vikingr you have to make up your mind and either protect your head or your legs (most people protect their heads ). It would make perfect sense to make cPRG work like that too and it would be a realistic way to buff archery. Bucklers were never meant to block arrows, thus the size. If they implemented crouching too you could crough and cover your entire body, even with shields that wouldn't normally allow that.

[XyNox]

I've been ranting about this for a month now.  Stop nerfing everything.  C-rpg is nerf upon nerf upon nerf upon nerf. 

Tell the players to suck it up and learn how to counter a classes strengths, by exploiting their weaknesses.  It's called tactics.  If people are too retarded to use tactics to overcome an obstacle, that's their fault.  It doesn't mean something needs to be nerfed.

+999

[Old_Sir_Agor]

i run just now with buckler, and pretty big amont of shots come thru it, much time in legs, from side it also hit way more then with big shields.

[Ragni_Bross]

i run just now with buckler, and pretty big amont of shots come thru it, much time in legs, from side it also hit way more then with big shields.

I have an archer alt and whenever I aim at their feet and the arrow travels t'wards their feet it magically attaches itself to the buckler instead of doing damage. Again, what I'm suggesting isn't to nerf bucklers directly, but to buff archers in a realistic way and make larger shield useable. I suggest, as mentioned many times before, that you only protect what you cover. If you don't cover your feet you risk getting hit. If you don't cover your head you risk getting HS. Just as in real life

[Mala]

Well, the buckler is not that small, it covers my whole upper body (and in reality you can move it around a bit more than ingame, that is why there is the force field).

I made a video back then (i think this was with shield skill 6).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUPO2Xri3js