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[STATS] Ashwood pike
« on: January 15, 2012, 04:59:00 pm »
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Hey,

The current stats of the ashwood pike are clearly making it "OP". As some of you might know, I´m a dedicated ashwood-pike-user with a MW ashwood pike and can get (if I´m in good mood) insane scores with it.

Here is what I though of, to make it a more dedicated weapon without nerfing it too hard:

1a: Make it unusable with a shield. (its 1 longer than the awlpike, and the awlpike is sheathable but not usable with a shield anymore, so why should the ashwood be usable with a shield)

or (alternatively):

1b: Make it 3 slots. It becomes a dedicated weapon for non-shield pole-users and hoplites, but those hoplites could only take a 1 slot shield and NO backup 1h, so real hoplites (I know hoplites most of the times also had short sword or knives as backup weapons, but meh, balance is not = realism). It should have a penalty for using with a shield of course, but only a little one.

2: Make it more expensive. At least the same price like the war spear, at maximum the same price like the awlpike.

3: Make it 1 or maybe even 2 speed less.

I think this changes would balance it quite good. I´m aware of the fact that beside the higher upkeep this changes would not touch my personal playstyle too hard, as I do not use a shield anyway. But I´m a dedicated user of this weapon and I am asking for a nerf, so I guess I can be biased.


Thoughts?


EDIT: sry, didn´t saw the game balance child board, can some mod move the thread there? Thanks :)
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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 05:14:12 pm »
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If a guy who currently uses a weapon on his main suggests a nerf then I agree.

That said, I think the main imbalance atm, and the reason why so many 2 handers seem to hand switched to spears/pikes is that the thrust speed on some poles is insane, even with balanced builds. I think this is more of an animation issue than a speed stat issue though and lowering the speed stat would make overheads with weapons like the ashwood pike pointless.

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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 05:16:05 pm »
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Completely not overpowered, awlpike is obviously better.

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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 05:21:36 pm »
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Make it the same price as awlpike and remove usable with shield.
I voted Gurnisson cause of his fucking bendy pike, I swear noone can roflcopter stab like he can.

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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 05:26:19 pm »
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Why do you want to nerf hoplites even more?

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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 05:35:42 pm »
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Those both seem like good suggestions. Either 3 slots retaining shield use, or 2 slots no shield. Can still use a Long Dagger as a CQC weapon effectively with a 1 slot shield.
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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 05:57:35 pm »
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Those both seem like good suggestions. Either 3 slots retaining shield use, or 2 slots no shield. Can still use a Long Dagger as a CQC weapon effectively with a 1 slot shield.

Yea exactly. Id vote for for 3 slots with shield since hoplites already have very little options to choose from.

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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 06:46:50 pm »
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1b: Make it 3 slots. It becomes a dedicated weapon for non-shield pole-users and hoplites, but those hoplites could only take a 1 slot shield and NO backup 1h, so real hoplites (I know hoplites most of the times also had short sword or knives as backup weapons, but meh, balance is not = realism). It should have a penalty for using with a shield of course, but only a little one.

You still can use 0slot knive as backup weapon

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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 07:32:26 pm »
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Don't nerf the hoplites. Nerf it for those that don't use a shield with it.

I say 1 speed less and everything else untouched.

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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 10:02:44 pm »
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Fighting some like teeth while hes usng this does make it seem abit overpowered, but i honestly think the weapon is fine, its a nice compromise between length, damage and speed for hoplites which makes it a nicely balanced weapon.  The price could maybe be increased slightly but that's only a minor thing.

Stats wise i'd leave it alone.
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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 10:03:27 pm »
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Fighting some like teeth while hes usng this does make it seem abit overpowered, but i honestly think the weapon is fine, its a nice compromise between length, damage and speed for hoplites which makes it a nicely balanced weapon.  The price could maybe be increased slightly but that's only a minor thing.

Stats wise i'd leave it alone.
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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 10:12:07 pm »
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I do believe u got me twice! Those damn spin-thrusts :P

Giving you less ground to spin around in seemed to work best
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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2012, 10:20:59 pm »
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Killing Casimir is easy though. If you fail to kill Casimir with a weapon, that weapon is up.
I voted Gurnisson cause of his fucking bendy pike, I swear noone can roflcopter stab like he can.

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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2012, 10:28:07 pm »
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^ Noob shoots me in the head and still gets owned when i fight him 1v1 :p
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Re: [STATS] Ashwood pike
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2012, 10:33:47 pm »
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^ Noob shoots me in the head and still gets owned when i fight him 1v1 :p

0 wpf, 70 reach against your lordly set and 124 reach greatsword. I'm gonna shove the long lawlpike down your throat, heretic!

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I voted Gurnisson cause of his fucking bendy pike, I swear noone can roflcopter stab like he can.