Ever used real armor?

[Xant]

I have plates all over me even as I write.

[Siiem]

I have plates all over me even as I write.

Get back in the kitchen biiiiiitch.

[Elric_de_Melnibone]

And here comes the ignorance, I should have seen it coming. 

First the question is if you have ever used plate armour, and when somebody comes in that does and can prove some silly ideas wrong, he's trolled and met with ignorance.


Aww, whatever. Do what ye want.
I know what I've experienced first hand.
You believe what you want to believe.

And thanks for the support, Tomas. 

[Xant]

You just keep on truckin' and looking down on LARPers and those who use padded weapons, brah. You are a plate using Übermensch, immune to all weapons except picks and morningstars. Well, not to forget armor-piercing (!) daggers, of course.

[Elric_de_Melnibone]

You're ridiculous.

Nowhere did I look down upon larpers and padded weapons. Nowhere did I state that plate users are immune to weaponry.
I merely mentioned that I leave those out myself since I'm in for the fight, not the roleplay.

And larp IS roleplay.

So excuuuuse me, princess troll. Stop making a fool of yourself.

[Xant]

Nowhere did I say LARP is not roleplay. But so is what you do: you're just a LARPer with more expensive toys.

Which, for the record, is fine. Whatever floats your boat. I just find it highly amusing that you think you're "fighting" not roleplaying.

[Oberyn]

Isn't it possible to damage a lot by getting around the joints as well? Under the arms, at the knees, elbows, etc? Still would require a dirk type weapon...

[Elric_de_Melnibone]

Which, for the record, is fine. Whatever floats your boat. I just find it highly amusing that you think you're "fighting" not roleplaying.

I find it highly amusing that you're completely ignoring the martial arts part of the trade.

@Obery, yes it is possible, but it's a rare "critical" hit with the usual weapons, and striking a knight that's trying to kill you with a dirk in soft spots is anything but easy.

[Siiem]

"Critical hits" that's a proper "martial arts" term right there.

[Xant]

I find it highly amusing that you're completely ignoring the martial arts part of the trade.

What's the organization you "fight" under? They have a website? Honest question btw, there are some proper swordsman schools (although in the modern age they don't fall that far from roleplaying either - although it still interests me) but what you describe doesn't sound like one. Maybe I'm mistaken. Hence; link?

[Elric_de_Melnibone]

"Critical hits" that's a proper "martial arts" term right there.

I'm trying to make it more understandable for the hardcore players, heh.


@Xant

http://www.hiebfechtbund.de/

Here you go.
We combine the historical fencing techniques with eastern style full contact and mix in our own martial arts experience.

My trainer for example has been doing escrima for over 9 years, and it goes well with what we do.
I have to admit though, my personal training group is doing more aggressive and agile trainig than most, less trading blows for minutes.

Get in, hit hard, bring your opponent down. Done.
That's not always easy with all that armour, but that makes it especially exciting.

By the way, what are you, questioning that I "fight" all the time?

Are you ex-special forces? Hardcore military soldier? Martial arts expert yourself?
Why can't you accept that we strive to fight, not roleplay?

[Xant]

"Dedicated to full-contact sword-fighting sports" says the website, kind of an oxymoron there. But fair enough, it does look pretty interesting.

Proper fights with real weapons just aren't possible unless you're willing to accept lost lives. Maybe you're doing the next best thing, but the very nature of the weapons means the next best thing has to be next to harmless and thus very far away from a real fight. You can go all-out in BJJ - you can go all out in striking arts (with some caveats) - but if you go all out with real weapons, people die. To make it safe it's necessary for it to be roleplaying.

But like I said, looks interesting. Trying out the real techniques et cetera.

[Elric_de_Melnibone]

To make it safe it's necessary for it to be roleplaying.

I'm glad that you find it interesting, but I have to counter one more of your points before we can call it a truce.

We, I, the people I train and fight with, we are a little crazy.
We don't want safe, we want real (Training isn't always done that way, though. That'll break your body over long periods of training. We save that for the meetings and fight clubs.).
Yes, even we do have to cut some corners, so the chance of actually dying is rather small, but we cut very little compared to anyone else.

Madmen do weird things.
I know where I've got my scars from, and I don't regret them.

[Oberyn]

Even back in the day they would've had non-lethal training Xant...nobles spent their entire lives training (at least in the early days of Feudalism when being a noble=warlord), men-at-arms had training as well. Tournaments were all non-lethal too...But meh, MMA is "non-lethal". That doesn't mean it isn't a bloody, violent and adrenaline filled sport.

[Skysong]

So basically what you're doing is bashing eachother's armor with ineffective weapons? What I'm trying to say in a roundabout way is that you're roleplaying just as much as the LARPers and padded weapon users, don't fool yourself.

This is completely true. But it seems Elric_de_Melnibone can't understand english and his answers are totaly fail.