Are Archers getting framed?

[Gurnisson]

Also xbowcav is a joke pls remove.

Lies

[Aseldo]

Archers kill me in melee more often than a crossbowman. I get 2-3 hit by archers with a mace/1h weapons and crossbowmans take the same amount of hits to kill me.
Archers and crossbowman use the same tactic: shoot once, take out melee weapon.

I see a lot more crossbow men being shielders, 2 handers or even polearms peeps than archers. Maybe an archer using a horn bow with a mace but that's about the best it gets.

[rufio]

lol.. I said Ninjas were dying out not 2h.

IDK why but zero leet archers were on tonight. Also, I noticed u have 17 ping paul. Of course any fast weapon will be spammy with that ping and that build..    Even you fell for a simple kinngrimm (10ping) left slash, so there you have it. I do understand your pov.

Last night was KMC, Nebun, Radh, Tybox, Pawlo and one more grey I can't remember on at the same time. Poland vs Russia Archery contest. All of them have full bow and arrow looms and do know how to shoot. I seemed to die from ranged every single round...

Also, back to OP. Yes too many xbows (because they CAN and because peeps want to counter Archers). Also xbowcav is a joke pls remove. Also, cav needs nerf because their retarded lances do too much damage as in 1 shotting people. Which is simply not fun for anyone.

agreed on ranged part, idc about xbows tbh if they miss atleast i have enough time to move in on them, 1 slot mace is a prob thow, good damage good speed and knockdown, and knockdown 1 in each 3 hits it seems. ur prob with cav is like ur prob with everything thomek u have no head and leg armor, so ofc u will be oneshot

[Duke]

Throwing needs buff. And horsebump.

......... what if we could throw horses?

[Kafein]

29.11. to 5.12.

One handed:         29312 (20.39%)
Two handed:        43827 (30.49%)
Polearms:         40093 (27.89%)
Bow:            13055 (9.08%)
Crossbows:          6636 (4.62%)
Thrown:          2792 (1.94%)
Headshot:          5686 (3.96%)
Horsebump:          2271 (1.58%)
Others:            84 (0.06%)
Teamkills:          4955 (3.45%)

Spartakick needs a buff.


Thomek, I hope you did think about what is cav like when you don't kill anything, even though you had to run into a nightmare just to hit something. Cav are pretty much high speed, super low agility ninjas... Just suppose that as a ninja you were able to hit only once, and had to flee immediately after. Then suppose you'd not kill anything with that only hit you are allowed to do. Yes, that's what would cav be like with your suggestion.

[gazda]

CONCLUSION NERF XBOWS

[Paul]

Thomek lobbying too much again. Time to remove katana.

[Matey]

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[Jacko]

Cavalry>Xbows>Archers>Infantry

Wat

[Joker86]

I never understood why people think we use frag count statistics to determine whether buffing/nerfing is necessary.

I can reassure you, I never thought you used frag count statistics to determine balancing.

I always thought you didn't use anything and did it by instinct. Numbers are boring.

[Camaris]

most archers and xbows have a 2h as sidearm (mace).
so in comparsion to other stats 2h lost a good amount if i remember correct.

to the topic: sure in the end its regardless if there are 20 bows or x-bows on the roof.
the point is that they are on that fucking roof.

[Nemeth]

Archers and crossbowman use the same tactic: shoot once, take out melee weapon.

Actually, while crossbowmen do use that tactic, only archers with balls do the same. Unfortunately, ball-less archers are the common folk around, so you can see them employing the run-like-a-chicken tactic far more often.

[Casimir]

Where the fuck have you been nemeth?

[Gheritarish le Loki]

Actually, while crossbowmen do use that tactic, only archers with balls do the same. Unfortunately, ball-less archers are the common folk around, so you can see them employing the run-like-a-chicken tactic far more often.

Xbowmen don't need to put point in PD, they have more skill point to put in melee fighting skill like PS/Shield.

We can call archers ball-less but in fact they are skillpoint-less for sure.

Xbow has always been favored since the begining of cRPG, dunnon why but it's the only thing that is balanced with realism (anybody can shoot with a xbow, peasant can, there is no need of training, etc = ingame : no need ofspecial skill except STR to use a xbow).

[Nemeth]

Where the fuck have you been nemeth?

I've been honning my xbow skills, so I can cause more rage than ever before.

Xbowmen don't need to put point in PD, they have more skill point to put in melee fighting skill like PS/Shield.

I've heard that excuse a lot, yet I have seen plenty of effective archers, that actually thought about their build and invested some points into melee (DoG_Inhumane comes to mind first).