Balance the Heavy Lance by making it 3 slot as well.

[polkafranzi]

18/18 build is perfect for Cavalry.

So what makes you think they have a big disadvantage?Actually, their Disadvantage is extremely small, even with shield.

Either they have 1 athletics or 1 PS less than most opponents.Wow.Such a big disadvantage.

They should be a little more gimped.

I liked it when you needed 6 agi for each riding and the Plated charger was 6 riding, meaning you could only ride it with 30 agi.Now THAT was an Disadvantage worth speaking of.I´d like to have that again.

6 x 6 = 36

Your whole post must be a troll, or you're just a retard.  Why would someone on a plated charger wear rags? Cos he doesn't have the strength to wear plate...lol good joke.

Cav got nerfed in nearly every patch, yet we still have this silly anti-cav brigade trollling us all the time...

[B3RS3RK]

Ah, sry then.Meant 5 Riding xD

Your whole post must be a troll, or you're just a retard.  Why would someone on a plated charger wear rags

No u.We actually HAD this back then before upkeep and stuff, and it was really nice, because to ride a fucking Tank you needed to be very specialized.As it is now, its nor hard at all to be awesome on foot and on horse...

[Son Of Odin]

Hmm... Why on earth should it be 3 slots? Cavalry guy has a huge disadvantage when dehorsed. 1) He is laying on the ground so long that you can hit atleast twice if you are near him. 2) He does not have the same melee abilities as your infantry build. He had to compromise at something (power strike, athletics or weapon master for example.) 3) The upkeep does not allow cav to carry the best possible back up weapon all the time. Sometimes not side arm at all.

Not to speak that light mounts get killed so easilly. So why shouldn't they be able to have good sidearms with heavy lance? In my opinion heavy lance is pretty balanced and not op. I see other cav using many other lances as well. Light lance and even two sided lance. What is an bröblems?

Then what happens to 1h/lance hybrids? Atleast they wont be having a shield... So that for the diversity...

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[Torben]

Ah, sry then.Meant 5 Riding xD

No u.We actually HAD this back then before upkeep and stuff, and it was really nice, because to ride a fucking Tank you needed to be very specialized.As it is now, its nor hard at all to be awesome on foot and on horse...

back than u we had level 40 "heros" that still had the str to use heavy armor.  c-rpg is a different catch these days,  dont see how u can compare despite all the changes during the last 12 months.

rags on slow horses is suicide.

 

[Son Of Odin]

Oh and when I say "them" meaning cavmen, I mean "us!"... Now I sound biased as hell don't I? But atleast I know what I'm talking about since I play the class myself (pure lancer).

[polkafranzi]

Oh and when I say "them" meaning cavmen, I mean "us!"... Now I sound biased as hell don't I? But atleast I know what I'm talking about since I play the class myself (pure lancer).

Good point.  It's always those that have played 20 gens as archer or pure inf that hate cav.

Pre all the big patches i use to rock shield/heavy lance/1h sword/hidden flamberge.  It "was" OP.

Now play lance/2h wep with no shield and medium horse.  Often find myself charging enemy and, if head on, horse gets "bodkin'd or bolted" (80-100% health gone with 1 arrow/bolt). 

Also, I haven't played since this latest patch cos am away, but 2h thrust has been able to outrange heavy lance for some time now, and I hear the animation has been changed...so, should be interesting.

[Torben]

ninja hijack:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrcBMLC2fFQ

maybe this will actually give this thread some substance.

[Rusty_Shacklefjord]

18/18 build is perfect for Cavalry.

So what makes you think they have a big disadvantage?Actually, their Disadvantage is extremely small, even with shield.

Either they have 1 athletics or 1 PS less than most opponents.Wow.Such a big disadvantage.

You're right, 18/18 is good for cavalry. However, a good infantry build would be more like 24/12. This means 6 more points of strength, and 2 more points of iron flesh and power strike - on top of the better armor and weapons that you can afford to use when you don't also have to pay for a horse and lance.

So yes, cavalry ARE are at a disadvantage when dismounted. They have less health, less armor, do less damage, and have less effective weapons.

[Dezilagel]

You're right, 18/18 is good for cavalry. However, a good infantry build would be more like 24/12. This means 6 more points of strength, and 2 more points of iron flesh and power strike - on top of the better armor and weapons that you can afford to use when you don't also have to pay for a horse and lance.

So yes, cavalry ARE are at a disadvantage when dismounted. They have less health, less armor, do less damage, and have less effective weapons.

24/12? O.o

BOOOOOORING!

[Kafein]

I would rather like to see cav using heavy lance just for stab and great lance for couching. But that's just me I suppose.

I don't really see the need for this other than internal lance balance. Heavy lance is overused and that should change. Find a way.

Heavy lance is overused because it's the only one with decent range. The good way of balancing it isn't making it as useless as the other ones...

Currently the only way of playing cav like cav is meant to be played is going for a wallet-oriented build. 18/18/500k at least, to upkeep the only horses that don't drop dead in a few arrows. Hurting the whole class because others are butthurt about heavy horses isn't needed. Don't forget that even though a heavy lance is "only" 2 slots, it is not sheathable. Furthermore, downed cav already are at a great disadvantage. A roughly level 25 melee char, that starts the infantry fight with a 3 seconds nap that usually lets the enemy strike 2 hits, sometimes only one. Which means many of these "fights" don't even happen as the cav is killed on the ground without any mean of defense, no matter how good he is. Now, is that fair ? As cav I never complained about that.

[Chagan_Arslan]

what about horse giving you 2 more slots ? you can attach stuff to the saddle or something

ah crazy talk

and pike was probably changed to the 3 slots, because it was/is the ultimate melee support weapon rather than anti cav weapon, with this change it might bring it back to its proper role in the battlefield but to hell with that blame cav ;p