[STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot

[Jarlek]

There are so many 0 slot weapon Christo... you can have 4 slots Pike and sickle, and hammer, and torch. Master of all trades.

That's actually not possible. Two unsheathable weapons. But change that torch for a KHYBER KNIFE OF AWESOMENESS and your fine

[Cup1d]

nah, pikemen with 108 speed KHYBER KNIFE definitely OP.  He can stop horse with pike and shred horse\horseman with khyber knife in no time.

[Jarlek]

nah, pikemen with 108 speed KHYBER KNIFE definitely OP.  He can stop horse with pike and shred horse\horseman with khyber knife in no time.

Do not judge the KHYBER KNIFE by it's speed! Judge it by it's FUCKING COOLEST UNSHEATH ANIMATION EVVA! Seriously, equipping this weapon is so BADASS that I want to do it ALL the time! The long dagger might be cheaper and slightly better, but the pure awesomeness of the drawing animation makes me take the khyber knife ALL the time

[Phalanx300]

This is a joke right? 3 Slots I can understand. (As long as the one handed swords stay 1 slot.. ) Otherwise there's not way to be a accurate Pikeman. (For which we still need a cuirass)

[ToxicKilla]

The slots for EVERY weapon should be based on length not damage (Long maul 3 slots scythe aka weapons with 180+ length 2 slots only) so yes some weapons NEED to be 3 slots to compensate their big length.

If this was so, one of the most famous load-outs in the Medieval era would not be usable. Sword, Shield and Lance.
Although I do agree with making Pikes 3 slot.
Although it actually does not make that much sense, since you cannot sheath the weapon. But it would stop pikemen taking massive beefy two handers for backup.

Edit:
I'd rather have them made 3 slots, but make them sheathable (as long as you can see it on your back), make it slow you down quite a bit when sheathed, but also make it so you can not block while using a pike, in addition to a small damage buff. This should apply for long spears too, but to make long spears slightly more appealing, have them be 2 slot or slow you down less when sheathed.

What do you guys think?

[Jarlek]

If this was so, one of the most famous load-outs in the Medieval era would not be usable. Sword, Shield and Lance.
Although I do agree with making Pikes 3 slot.
Although it actually does not make that much sense, since you cannot sheath the weapon. But it would stop pikemen taking massive beefy two handers for backup.

Edit:
I'd rather have them made 3 slots, but make them sheathable (as long as you can see it on your back), make it slow you down quite a bit when sheathed, but also make it so you can not block while using a pike, in addition to a small damage buff. This should apply for long spears too, but to make long spears slightly more appealing, have them be 2 slot or slow you down less when sheathed.

What do you guys think?

Sounds good. Sheathable but unblockable pikes with a bit more damage that slows you down when it's sheathed? Yeah, seems a balanced change.

[Okkam]

yeah, small buff to pike damage (8-10 points) is just what we all need.
also, please, make accurate historical pikemen cuirasse. It must be unpenetrable for arrows\bolts when pike equipped.
sarcasm off

Instead make «Real» stab for this weapon. It's impossible to stab someone at 0-2m distance with such long weapon.

[ToxicKilla]

yeah, small buff to pike damage (8-10 points) is just what we all need.
also, please, make accurate historical pikemen cuirasse. It must be unpenetrable for arrows\bolts when pike equipped.
sarcasm off

Instead make «Real» stab for this weapon. It's impossible to stab someone at 0-2m distance with such long weapon.

That is why if you removed blocking with this weapon, people wouldn't even try to stab people at 0-2m distance, instead they would switch to a smaller weapon. But to balance this, and stop pikes disappearing completely, a buff of 2-3 damage and the ability to sheath it would be needed.

[Relit]

That is why if you removed blocking with this weapon, people wouldn't even try to stab people at 0-2m distance, instead they would switch to a smaller weapon. But to balance this, and stop pikes disappearing completely, a buff of 2-3 damage and the ability to sheath it would be needed.

You take away blocking on the Pike/Long spear and it will be the end of those weapons being used as infantry support for the vast majority of the people using them. They would then be completely a anti-cav weapon at that point.

[Phalanx300]

It shouldn't be sheathed. But increase of damage in return of not blocking, might work. Pikeman really wouldn't fight using a pike one on one. However we should get a Pike brace ability in return!  (It already exists)

[Camaris]

WPF above 150 should reduce needed slots.

2-Handed Sword -> Wpf 150 in 2h -> 1 Slot

just highjacking the thread ;)

[Ufthak]

I think you'd have to be a pretty big idiot to not be able to block a sideswing with a 5-8 foot piece of wood. Overheads would also be pretty easy, but I can see thrusts being an issue. No polestun and 3 slots would be more than enough nerfing, why remove block too?

[Konrax]

You take away blocking on the Pike/Long spear and it will be the end of those weapons being used as infantry support for the vast majority of the people using them. They would then be completely a anti-cav weapon at that point.

It would actually make the weapon ONLY used for infantry support and cavalry and not able to get kills 1v1 as easily as it does.

The speed/damage/length ratio of those weapons are off the charts, hence why you see all the prostar players running around with them now. I would also like to see the long awlpike included in this.

Pikes are supposed to suck 1v1, its hard enough with a short weapon to even get near them in a group let alone get a chance to attack without being turned into swiss cheese. At least if they can't block then people rushing pikes will get 1 swing in before they die. If they remove the ability to block keep the stats the same and keep it a 2 slot weapon to allow for backup weapons, also keep it non-sheathable.

I think you'd have to be a pretty big idiot to not be able to block a sideswing with a 5-8 foot piece of wood. Overheads would also be pretty easy, but I can see thrusts being an issue. No polestun and 3 slots would be more than enough nerfing, why remove block too?

If you want to use realism argument then:

Pikes weigh a lot and are really long and clumsy weapons. Normally they are stabbed into the ground with the user only holding it up for charging enemies to get impaled on. Blocking with one is nearly non-existant. The M&B version of a pike spin 360 face stab at 2 foot range doesn't exist, infact if you can get a pike type weapon that meets the specs, and can successfully jump 360 and stab something 2 feet away from you with it I will allow you the luxury of punching me square in the nose.

[Phalanx300]

Actually blocking would be possible, other pikes that is. Mmm, maybe just keep the block for stab. Make it 3 slot. Give Pike Brace ability.

[Vodner]

That is why if you removed blocking with this weapon, people wouldn't even try to stab people at 0-2m distance, instead they would switch to a smaller weapon. But to balance this, and stop pikes disappearing completely, a buff of 2-3 damage and the ability to sheath it would be needed.

I feel that removing blocking from pikes would make players who can consistently block attacks less effective, while players who cannot would be largely unaffected.

The primary issue with the pikes is that they are really easy for a mediocre player to use effectively in group combat (compared to other weapons). I can't speak for anybody else, but I personally don't have any issue with good players such as Datsy and Hudson racking up kills with them.