HOMOPHOBIA

[Rhaelys]

I’ll start like that. I see people kicked, banned for a teamhit. I see admins fighting like hard to prevent a racist word coming out, banning some people or others for weeks. I see a teamkill being a huge offense and people try to run from the guilt of having done it.

First of all, why a teamhit, an insult against black people, a word against religion more acceptable than an attack against gays or lesbians? Why if racist names, religion blasphemy names not accepted and bannable, homophobic and attack names against gays are?

We can do something against it, especially when there are vectors, pillars that incite others to spam against gays. I have an example of a player named Princess_Gayton when joined the game started spamming everyone homophobic things and made a whole 2 games gay bashing session when in 8 minutes a whole lot of people raged their anger about loosing a life or health or made fun against gays. I think this comportment deserves a ban, or at least a kick. I was sick when it happened, so I didn’t took a snapshot. But I know he’ll do it again, and I think we should require to make him do a name change, whether fun it is pissing us off or not.

If you think it’s not a real problem, people do get affected by bundle of stickss and gays and to say how homo it is when you want to mean how bad or how stupid or how retard it is. When you make a link with gays and something being really idiot, it can have an impact if the person doesn’t know you.  Me, I get a little affected every time is see a word coming out like this starting a gaybashing discussion, and that wastes my fun and gets me in a bad mood sometimes after a while. But the worst thing is when I see admins fighting for a teamhit and I get insulted all the time and it’s no matter. I would get much less affected seeing a recognition like an admin telling to stop when I ask, or a ban when it is justified.

I’m not complaining about a my old friend word coming now and then in a game session. It’s the internet, and perfection is impossible. I’m complaining about entire sessions of gays blasting games where people has almost nothing else to say than attacking gays on any idea they find, my old friend words modified, disrespecting people based on sexuality or stupid false prejudices and false ideas that are transferred and encouraging gay bashing in the name of fun.

I have a number of snapshots proving the link between my old friend and homo and gay. I can post if asked. While some can say it like that, lots of people do intend to blast gays, and use a variety of words such as homo gay or references to sexuality. Getting a gay attack word encourages others do to so. Saying it’s just bundle of sticks and no homophobia can be true for some people, but just check out what’s going out in games. The references are much more numbered referring to gays that only the bundle of sticks word.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,28604.0.html
When I saw the first comments I was very grateful of what admins said. But I have already tried three times to contact an admin in gaybashing sessions and I have received no answer at all. Even one time, the admin I have contacted started calling people bundle of stickss. I have the name of the admin, the snapshot and if you want it I can post.

If nothing is done, It gets to the next generations of players. Only next people like me will have to fight to do something, after getting pissed off so many times, asking only for justifiable respect, recognition over the others that are respected.

I am not asking to ban everyone that uses the word my old friend. What is inadmissible is to discriminate a minority and sends everyone the message that this minority does not deserve respect. It has impact on the identity of a lot of persons, and don’t ask me about wasting fun for them. An insult sent just like that after a kill has no impact over identity. Note that racism names are totally not allowed, and gay names are, which is unfair, and they shouldn't be. It is possible that the guy who uses the my old friend word isn’t homophobic, as it is possible that the guy using the nigga word isn’t necessarily racist. It isn’t really cool for gays, and sends the message that attacks against gays are justified, normal, and ok.

Now your fear is that these people that misunderstand what homosexuality need to be banned too much because homophobia is too present. Why it is too present is because nothing has been done against it for a long while btw. People have developed complicity raging against gays… I’m coming to the fact that if nothing is done like this, it will spread wider and gets to the next generations of players coming, they will gaybash too, tempted by the previous generations.  And the message that racism is not ok and homophobia is pretty strong.

We can let my old friend words pass I think. It’s the internet. But there are limits. I think when it’s too much, an admin should intervene. That means, when there gay blasting sessions and initiators or vectors that seem generating it, they should be advised, muted, kicked, banned. Gay blasting names shouldn’t be allowed just as Racist names. It will flow the whole server by gay blasters. Warnings can be said to the majority of people in admin text. And examples as what I have sent at the end of this message should deserve a ban. Death threats or gays should die or moves to incite to hate them should definitely not pass.



I’ve seen things on the forum… man, some people are so uncultivated! First of all, you think there would be a gay pride just for fun with people running half naked if it wouldn’t be to face the homophobia? Now some just think they’re perverts and want to show their bodies. It’s about facing reject and showing unaffected.

Homosexuality isn’t about who assrape the other in the ass. It’s about being able to love somebody of the same sex, live a love story with that person and be able to share your life with that one. It's not only a question to be able to have sex with somebody of the same sex.

Express your love towards another human being has nothing of shameful, and people able to love should understand this.



About some prejudices I encountered.

Gays are effeminate. Effeminate is weak. First, that’s sexism. Second, I know lots of really courageous gays and trust me femininity or sexual attraction has nothing to do with courage, on the contrary sometimes. Next, 98% of gays are not effeminate, and the rest are mostly open minded or cool people.

Gays are unsafe. There’s gays who are, and again, it’s a minority. I don’t recall the 1920ies when nobody was conscious of aids.

Answering some comments in the post, if you absolutely want to know, not at all all gays do anal sex and heteros do it too.
 
I get the obsessed by sex sometimes, which has empowered the prejudice that gays only want to fuck. It’s easier to get sex when you’re gay, not because of homosexuality but because guys have more fun for it only than girls. Now there are a whole of gays I know that don’t want to look for sex but for engagement. Heteros are looking for sex too, just see about what comes up when people talk about fucking a girl. It’s not gays. It’s guys. I am sure that the percentage of guys that are only open to getting out with somebody is the same in heteros and homo cultures.  Now you can disapprove being obsessed by sex or not. But the links between obsessed by sex and gay are not there.

There are a lot of false ideas, or prejudices, and these ideas don't justify why gays should be hated and discriminated when other minorities shouldn’t.

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I have received these comments by people playing the game. A my old friend word can pass. But when I get death threats or entire gay bashing session while somebody gets banned 3 days for a teamhit, I start loosing my mood. These ideas make people find justified to hate gays, we deserve respect, just as the other minorities. Gay blasting names shouldn't be allowed as racist names aren't, and things like in these snapshots deserve a ban.

You might have better luck channeling your efforts into persuading a different target audience. As mentioned earlier in this thread, there is a prevalent "gamer" attitude and culture that unfortunately incorporates less-than-ideal terminology as a descriptor or as a means of expressing frustration. Admins do what they can to identify and deal with specific hate speech, but other than that the language is here to stay, until such terminology falls out of fashion.

[Nyalan]

You might have better luck channeling your efforts into persuading a different target audience. As mentioned earlier in this thread, there is a prevalent "gamer" attitude and culture that unfortunately incorporates less-than-ideal terminology as a descriptor or as a means of expressing frustration. Admins do what they can to identify and deal with specific hate speech, but other than that the language is here to stay, until such terminology falls out of fashion.

I am proposing concrete ways of acting: especially homophobic names and people who starts the whole thing. Also if racism isn't accepted, homophobia shouldn't too. Now you say terminology is fashion, what I ask is that something needs to be done more, like I said in my post.

[Nyalan]

I daresay this thread is a monument of proof that the op is supremely attracted to people who share the same sex as him.

lol, but somebody has to do something or something needs to be done

[Adamar]

The servers should simply add no xenophobia to the rules, and then the admins would have to enforce it.

[Rhaelys]

I am proposing concrete ways of acting: especially homophobic names and people who starts the whole thing. Also if racism isn't accepted, homophobia shouldn't too. Now you say terminology is fashion, what I ask is that something needs to be done more, like I said in my post.

Suppose we continue the line of logic for the fashion analogy. If you were a new designer with a different view of what is fashionable, how would you convince others that your views are fashionable?

In other words, people judge fashion based on what they like. Convince them that something else is fashionable; otherwise, you will have to wait until something new comes along that they prefer.

[Nyalan]

I think it's reasonable to ask for no homophobic names as racist are not allowed either, as these people encourage it. It's easy to do for names. It's a way to act against it that works. Also to do something as give warnings or kick somebody when he becomes a center of gay spamming insults in gay blasting sessions is another thing that works. Intense things like the images I have posted shouldn't pass: there should be limits. Like no death threats or bundle of stickss should die or intense attacks is something clear to ask. That's what I am asking concretely. An admin answer would be really appreciated.

[callahan9119]

This mods game chat is the biggest trolling/flame spam I've personally seen...good luck enforcing some kind of strained civility or PC culture.

It's the old South Park thing...a my old friend is a my old friend.

someone else linked this, but it's dead  http://videosift.com/video/South-Park-The-difference-between-gays-and-my old friends

[Adamar]

Its still xenophobia, and native doesn't have as much. Its just a matter of enforcing the rules here, starting in the eu servers.

[Brrrak]

[lots of stuff that I'm not responding to and has already been addressed in countless discussions regarding culture, media, and homosexuality in various social environments]

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I have received these comments by people playing the game. A my old friend word can pass. But when I get death threats or entire gay bashing session while somebody gets banned 3 days for a teamhit, I start loosing my mood. These ideas make people find justified to hate gays, we deserve respect, just as the other minorities. Gay blasting names shouldn't be allowed as racist names aren't, and things like in these snapshots deserve a ban.

Replace the instances of my old friend, bundle of sticks with the 'n-word' in those screenshots.

I think it's a valid point that if we were to ban people for saying 'we should kill all [n-words]' then we should ban people who say 'we should kill all bundle of stickss.'

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We should ban people who would say 'we should kill all white people' too, but I don't see that happening.

[Malaclypse]

What now? People still play with in-game chat on?

[Bobthehero]

Always funny to play cRPG when someone is drunk as fuck and spouting completely senseless stuff in chat.

[Rumblood]

5 month necro?

Once again, look up etymology. I fail to see how you clinging to an outdated meaning of the word is helping homosexuals. Let the insult turn into a generic curse just like "Bitch and "Cunt" and "Bastard". We don't ban people who throw them out as insults for being sexist. Personal feuds are already discouraged and muted when players start getting out of control. That's where the line is and about the extent of enforcement that you'll get.

[Arathian]

5 month necro?

Once again, look up etymology. I fail to see how you clinging to an outdated meaning of the word is helping homosexuals. Let the insult turn into a generic curse just like "Bitch and "Cunt" and "Bastard". We don't ban people who throw them out as insults for being sexist. Personal feuds are already discouraged and muted when players start getting out of control. That's where the line is and about the extent of enforcement that you'll get.

can we do the same for the word "nigga"?

because I love using it. Blacks don't get offended by it anyway.

[Adamar]

5 month necro?

Once again, look up etymology. I fail to see how you clinging to an outdated meaning of the word is helping homosexuals. Let the insult turn into a generic curse just like "Bitch and "Cunt" and "Bastard". We don't ban people who throw them out as insults for being sexist. Personal feuds are already discouraged and muted when players start getting out of control. That's where the line is and about the extent of enforcement that you'll get.

Too much work to make a few examples and greatly improve the general chat? Or are the devs so afraid to lose fans that they're willing to let the rotten king wander around the servers?

People only started using xenophobic words like 'my old friend' because noone really cared to stop them, just as you're doing now. This situation can easely be turned around.

[Rumblood]

Start your own server and enforce all the language rules you want.