Give Longspears a high stab that is up-blocked

[Waylit]

I agree with the current changes to the pike/longspear.  The overhead swing on the LS had to go...but sadly it removed a great teamplay element with the long weapons attacking opposite directions.  Even the best players have trouble blocking up/down/up/down/up/down over and over. 

The only problem is that now you can no longer Pike Drill with a pikeman and longspearman, because the foe can just hold block down.  Check out these solutions to that problem:

http://www.medievalwarfare.info/pics/pike_01.jpg

http://www.medievalwarfare.info/pics/pike_03.jpg

A line of just pikes and LS should be very deadly, and not something you just run at blocking down.  This way there would be no backswing, none of that "overhead from 2 feet away" nonsense, but pikes/LS would still be able to attack Up and Down at the same time, which is what makes them a deadly teamplay combination.  Don't make us fight with those smelly billmen.   

[Leshma]

Currently I see pikes as best anti-melee weapons in games. So therefore buffing them would be completely inapropriate.

[Joxer]

Best anti-melee? You mean worst or are you just trolling??? Wth.

[Dezilagel]

I say "nay", if you want overheads just use the slightly shorter weps.

[Tears of Destiny]

No thank you to the suggestion.

[Leshma]

Best anti-melee? You mean worst or are you just trolling??? Wth.

I mean that when you're facing multiple opponents, if one of them has a pike, spear or anything similiar no matter is he skilled or not (cause those are simplest weapons in game), winning against them suddenly becomes almost impossible task to achieve.

Pikes and spears are incredibly strong weapons in group fights, therefore shouldn't be good 1 vs 1.

[hippy_with_a_scimi]

why you guys are always against Leshma , hes right , the first target i go for in a pack of fighters coming at me is the pike dude ALWAYS

because of him , i cant dance around his others friends and make my way to victory , so hes has to die !

 Good Spear\Pikers ( like Waltz or Malke in NA ) make fighting groups a nightmare if they are around ,

[Joxer]

Fyi long spear is one of the worst weapons to have 1vs1. Also in a group you can magically fight against other weapons but not against spears? Wtf is this bs?

[Siiem]

Fyi long spear is one of the worst weapons to have 1vs1.

No it's not. It's decent in 1v1 situations, but supreme in group fights.

[Digglez]

i would rather see a cooldown time on weapon parries, so you cant magically block multiple incoming attacks....would make shields worthwhile

[Patricia]

With the recent nerf to the Long Spear, I do think it's less than good anymore in 1v1, though it can still be used and deadly if well used in 1v1.

But when it comes to group battles, it totally turn the tide of battle.

As I've said before, if I see 3 or even 4 guys with two handed weapons, I'll usually go fight them because I know I stand a chance.

Meanwhile, if I do the mistake of fighting 2 guys, one with a pike/longspear, I'm fucked.

I just get polestunned to the moon while I can't even reach him because of the crazy reach while his friend take swings at me in the middle of polestuns.

i would rather see a cooldown time on weapon parries, so you cant magically block multiple incoming attacks....would make shields worthwhile

You mean OP? There'd be no reason to go anything but shielder.

[Joxer]

Of course you have a change against 3 or 4 2handers if they're completely incompetent idiots. That example is worthless.

[Patricia]

Of course you have a change against 3 or 4 2handers if they're completely incompetent idiots. That example is worthless.

I'm just saying that if I was to fight those 3-4 or even only 2 of those "incompetent" guys, if one of them as a long spear or pike, my win chance drops drastically because I get polestunned to the moon and I can't even move anymore with 2-3 guys taking swings at me.

[Teeth]

i would rather see a cooldown time on weapon parries, so you cant magically block multiple incoming attacks....would make shields worthwhile

Worst suggestion ever. Do you know how hard it is to block multiple incoming attacks? Such behaviour should be applauded not made impossible. Long spears are fine as they are now, a fine support and anti cav weapon. Its cheap as shit so theres plenty of money left for a back up weapon. Use a bamboo spear, 200 length, 90 speed, 25p and an overhead.

And I agree, a gank squad with 3 shielders and 2 twohanders is managable, I have a chance to dish out a lot of damage before I go down. When theres a pike or long spear involved it becomes so much harder. The pike can virtually always attack you, so in  between your blocking of 1 and sometimes 2 opponents you also have to continously watch for the pike.

[Malke]

Ahhhh, as much as I loved and miss my time with the long spear.. No this should not happen. It is just unneeded in all honesty. A long spear shouldn't be a duel weapon.