Give Longspears a high stab that is up-blocked

[Konrax]

Honestly you shouldn't even really be able to block with the weapons, they are supposed to fill a support role.

Given their range, damage, and speed they are very formidable weapons in groups already as it is.

[Patricia]

Worst suggestion ever. Do you know how hard it is to block multiple incoming attacks? Such behaviour should be applauded not made impossible. Long spears are fine as they are now, a fine support and anti cav weapon. Its cheap as shit so theres plenty of money left for a back up weapon. Use a bamboo spear, 200 length, 90 speed, 25p and an overhead.

And I agree, a gank squad with 3 shielders and 2 twohanders is managable, I have a chance to dish out a lot of damage before I go down. When theres a pike or long spear involved it becomes so much harder. The pike can virtually always attack you, so in  between your blocking of 1 and sometimes 2 opponents you also have to continously watch for the pike.

And even if you actually block the long spear/pike, the guy's taking stabs at you from so fucking far that you can't do anything about him and just deal with it by getting stabbed to death.

[Xant]

Yeah, one pike/longspear in a group makes that group a LOT more deadly. Two? Welp, it's pretty much impossible to beat them if they have even the faintest idea what they're doing.

But they're not OP at the moment, just very very good if used as they should be.

Gotta love how Joxer still doesn't know what weapon reach is and what it does...

Also in a group you can magically fight against other weapons but not against spears? Wtf is this bs?

 

[Digglez]

Worst suggestion ever. Do you know how hard it is to block multiple incoming attacks?

ya, you hold downblock and magically prevent any longspear/pike from being able to harm you...a trained chimp could do it.  10 spears could stab you at the same time and you take no damage, wow thats so realistic!

[Leshma]

Fyi long spear is one of the worst weapons to have 1vs1. Also in a group you can magically fight against other weapons but not against spears? Wtf is this bs?

Many weapons have 4 attack directions, most people are very good at connecting attacks. Also they fear of dying because that means waiting for round to end, also they don't want to TA. Thefore in battle, most people act like those assassins Ezio is figthing in AC2 or mobs in Gothic games, they attack one by one

But when one of them has pike, which is so easy to use (just pull mouse down and release the button) and has great length while having the fastest animation in game (yeah it has slower stats than other spears but it's still faster than anything besides spears), that dude isn't afraid anymore and fighting a group is much harder.

[Thucydides]

Many weapons have 4 attack directions, most people are very good at connecting attacks. Also they fear of dying because that means waiting for round to end, also they don't want to TA. Thefore in battle, most people act like those assassins Ezio is figthing in AC2 or mobs in Gothic games, they attack one by one

But when one of them has pike, which is so easy to use (just pull mouse down and release the button) and has great length while having the fastest animation in game (yeah it has slower stats than other spears but it's still faster than anything besides spears), that dude isn't afraid anymore and fighting a group is much harder.

thats why you fake attacking one person, block the longspear, then charge the pikeman. They'll shit their pants and forget how to block, i've cleaved through groups of people because i was batshit insane in my attack pattern, never be predictable and you'll do alot better than following the same routine over and over again.

I just gotta work on being patient and not charging blindly into a melee -_-

[Leshma]

thats why you fake attacking one person, block the longspear, then charge the pikeman. They'll shit their pants and forget how to block, i've cleaved through groups of people because i was batshit insane in my attack pattern, never be predictable and you'll do alot better than following the same routine over and over again.

I just gotta work on being patient and not charging blindly into a melee -_-

Many of them (pikemen) in such situations hold up block and since I want him dead that's exactly what I'll do. Stab isn't that easy to pull of in such situations and swings... well I'll just say "early active attacks".

[Thucydides]

Many of them (pikemen) in such situations hold up block and since I want him dead that's exactly what I'll do. Stab isn't that easy to pull of in such situations and swings... well I'll just say "early active attacks".

overhead is your friend.

also, learn how to chamber stabs and you'll be laughing at these pikemen all day.

also, i find that if the pikeman is a good player, i just run the other way and wait for valour :/

[Leshma]

Dude did you read what I write? They hold overhead block... of course I overhead all the time, I have to with 6 PS and cut damage...

And for me, chambering stabs is out of the question because of jitter (lag). I can't outstab anyone on server, let alone to chamber stabs...

[San]

It's mostly the polestun since if you get hit by the pole (even with a bad angle hit), you're stunned for just about 2 seconds, thus rendering any sort of spacing you were trying to acquire void. It is very dumb. That is why I use the awlpike until they inevitably fix the polestun.

[Thucydides]

Dude did you read what I write? They hold overhead block... of course I overhead all the time, I have to with 6 PS and cut damage...

And for me, chambering stabs is out of the question because of jitter (lag). I can't outstab anyone on server, let alone to chamber stabs...

switch targets if they hold upblock. Its all about killing the noobs first before you take down big men.

wait, you're an agi build? fuck that don't even try fighting in groups. You'll just get TKed (unless your with a clan). I'm a strength build so i can go into the clusterfucks

I thought i written that but apparently not

[Patricia]

thats why you fake attacking one person, block the longspear, then charge the pikeman. They'll shit their pants and forget how to block, i've cleaved through groups of people because i was batshit insane in my attack pattern, never be predictable and you'll do alot better than following the same routine over and over again.

I just gotta work on being patient and not charging blindly into a melee -_-

I don't know what sort of pikemen you're fighting but if they "shit their pants and forget how to block" they probably don't know how to block in the first place, any pikemen that knows how to block will probably not give a fuck about you running to them and will just block you until you get slashed in the back by someone else you were already fighting against.

overhead is your friend.

also, learn how to chamber stabs and you'll be laughing at these pikemen all day.

also, i find that if the pikeman is a good player, i just run the other way and wait for valour :/

Chambering stabs from pikes/longspears is easier said than done when you have bunch of other guys slashing at you.

For exemple, probably a hour ago, I got stuck between Jar and Dexx repeatedly poking me with their long spear one after another.

What happened was like a 20 hit long polestun because I can take a lot of hit, so I just waited for a good 20 hit to die because I couldn't move, attack or block.

Also, I'm not sure why you're trying to "teach" people how to do better when you're yourself not all that good, I remember fighting you on duel alot like a week or two probably and all you were doing was holding your overhead to cause blockstun and then try to spam (which failed miserably I might add since you were doing it almost every single hits)

[Thucydides]

I don't know what sort of pikemen you're fighting but if they "shit their pants and forget how to block" they probably don't know how to block in the first place, any pikemen that knows how to block will probably not give a fuck about you running to them and will just block you until you get slashed in the back by someone else you were already fighting against.

Chambering stabs from pikes/longspears is easier said than done when you have bunch of other guys slashing at you.

yes, and like i said previously, i avoid group battles when theres at least 1 pikeman that can block, unless my team outnumbers the other. I am talking specifically about taking on 2 or more people and one of them have a pike.

Also, I'm not sure why you're trying to "teach" people how to do better when you're yourself not all that good, I remember fighting you on duel alot like a week or two probably and all you were doing was holding your overhead to cause blockstun and then try to spam (which failed miserably I might add since you were doing it almost every single hits)

who are you? after a while in duels, i just try to castor swing most of the time because of the mind numbing

[Xant]

switch targets if they hold upblock. Its all about killing the noobs first before you take down big men.

wait, you're an agi build? fuck that don't even try fighting in groups. You'll just get TKed (unless your with a clan). I'm a strength build so i can go into the clusterfucks

I thought i written that but apparently not

.. Agi builds are the best for fighting in groups, due to athletics... if you're not fast, you'll just get circled.

[Thucydides]

.. Agi builds are the best for fighting in groups, due to athletics... if you're not fast, you'll just get circled.

depends if there are pikes in the group or not
Vs pikes: the range neutralizes the ability for agi chars to dance in and out of combat, because the effective range of a pike is far greater than an agi hero

However, if the other group chases and abandons the pikeman behind, you just won a moral victory. Now you can play the distance game.

Strength builds, especially with the early hit register of recent patch, is really useful in a group battle if you move inbetween and get the team to hit each other while you target select people. In heavy armor and good footwork you can get a lot of weapons to glance on you.

Really, pikes are the ultimate support because it nullifies any individual acts of heroism that may turn the tide of battle.  Now if they lose the ability to block, that would mean that pikemen have a giant 3 meter stick that pretty much says "kill me first". Which may not be too bad the more i think about it.