[STATS] Steel Pick requirement raise to 14

[RiPLeY_II]

You know, every "tier" of weapons have a higer rqr as you go up in the ladder. Mean:

Winged mace rqr 11
Iberian mace rqr 13
Military hammer rqr 13
Warhammer rqr 15

or

Simple nordic sword rqr 8
Nordic sword rqr 9
Nordic war sword rqr 10
Nordic champion sword rqr 13

But then in the case of steel pick (also of broad one handed battle axe, which i will make another poll), it goes:

Fighting pick rqr 8
Military sickle rqr 10
Military pick rqr 13
Steel pick --------------------------->RQR 12

In the case of the steel pick and current "unbalanced status" of piercing reduction damage (dealing more than double the amount of damage vs. armor values of 50/60), it also allows the making of "top dealing 1h damage" with a value of 4 ps only (believe me, they deal much more damage than a 21str 7ps with an iron war axe, military cleaver or any other cut damage 1h weapon), which is absolutely ridicolous.

Also the steel pick is a 2.3 weight weapon, which also would favor the fact of raising its requirement.

So vote for the change. My guess is 14 should be enough, as it will more or less equalize it with warhammer, which is the more similar weapon we can find (being the diferences warhammer=slower and knockdown +1 req, raw damage is more or less the same).

EDIT: EDITED POLL TO INCLUDE AN OPTION FOR 15+REQUIREMENT

[Vibe]

Nitpicking much?

[RiPLeY_II]

Nitpicking much?

Did you even take the time .... just to read the post?

[Vibe]

Did you even take the time .... just to read the post?

Oh dear, I thought it had a requirement of 13, not 12. Well in that case, your post makes sense. Steel pick should be slower anyway, or less damaging. Same damage as the best 1h swords with the addition of pierce, you gotta be shittin me.

[Leshma]

16 str imho

[LordSnow]

yes 16,

[RiPLeY_II]

I edited the poll to include a 15+ option

[Digglez]

another physics fail.  you realize its 6 shorter than the previous pick in the tier?  Which is SIGNIFICANT for a 1h'er.

shorter weapon + same weight = less force required to wield

[Vibe]

another physics fail.  you realize its 6 shorter than the previous pick in the tier?  Which is SIGNIFICANT for a 1h'er.

shorter weapon + same weight = less force required to wield

How about balance? This is about having an extreme agi build with a steel pick.

[RiPLeY_II]

another physics fail.  you realize its 6 shorter than the previous pick in the tier?  Which is SIGNIFICANT for a 1h'er.

shorter weapon + same weight = less force required to wield

Same case as warhammer vs. iberian or military hammer, but still warhammer have more req., in fact significantly more.

It's all about balance. It has no sense at all that you have a much better overall and VERY SPECIALIZED weapon at such a low requirement.

[RiPLeY_II]

Results for now

yes                   15 (50%)
no                     5 (16.7%)
13 is enough    1 (3.3%)
15 or more         9 (30%)

This shows that 80% people think 14 rqr or more is needed for the steel pick

[San]

I use the steel pick and I am fine with raising its requirements.

I tried a low agility + armor + steel pick as well as higher agility. It is still useful but more balanced when less AGI is available.

[Xant]

I'd much rather fight a 12-24 steelpick user than a 21-18 steelpick user, personally ...

[Penitent]

This weapon DEFINITELY needs to be rebalanced.

I'm 3rd gen 1/h shield.  I've used lots of different weapons.  Once I got my hand on a loomed Steel Pick, my K:D ration exploded.  It's fun as hell...but not fair.  LOL.

Yes, the requirement should be raised.

Not only that, but the speed should be decreased, the damaged reduced, or both.

In my opinion, it should be a 97 speed weapon.  That, along with the increased requirement (15 sounds ok, same as warhammer), would balance it perfectly.  It would still be the most powerful 1h weapon, but it would no longer be the most powerful AND one of the fastest 1h weapons.

Req: 15
Length: 64
Speed: 97
Damage: 32 pierce

This is balanced for me.  Some people like reality....in reality a war pick was simply the reverse side of a war hammer...then it should have the same stats as the war hammer.  Picks were heavy, slow, often got caught on armor, and rarely caused wounds that were immediately fatal.  However, they were great at piercing armor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseman%27s_pick

[RiPLeY_II]

According to results by now, 77.5% of the people think it needs a higher requirement (7.5%--> 13   42.5%--> 14   27.5%-->15 or more).

So i ask the balancing team, could you have a look at this?