WHO IS THE DEADLIEST WARRIOR?

[Bobthehero]

agi would win a duel, but str is deadliest.

* Bobthehero begs to differ

[Paul]

al adin

[Jarlek]

Well, if it's ANY build at all as long as they are 30/9 or 9/30, then I say that the 9/30 will win. Basically because of ranged.

Like this HA/HC here on a heavy horse:

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 9
Agility: 30
Skills to attributes: 8
Riding: 5
Horse Archery: 5
Power Draw: 3
Weapon Master: 10
Archery/xbow: 189

Would beat anything except a Hoplite (hoplite is the best HA/HC counter

Or this trololol light xbow user on foot.

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 9
Agility: 30
Skills to attributes: 8
Power Strike: 3
Athletics: 10
Weapon Master: 10
Crossbow: 189

Would shoot whatever STR build before it could do shit. Except it's counters 1h&shield or Hoplite. Cav could also work but I think it would be too easy for him to dodge it.


I hope you see my point. But what stops the STR from taking ranged? Well, the wpf requirement. It would make them not be able to get the full boost from their PD/PT (but xbow might work) and they would have to take away their armour (losing their main advantage) to not get too high wpf loss.

Really, the ranged kiting hit-and-run would make the AGI build best in a duel. Anyone have any counters to this?

[MrShine]

Really, the ranged kiting hit-and-run would make the AGI build best in a duel. Anyone have any counters to this?

3 shield skill,  board shield or 2 smaller shields, and heavy armor on the 30/9.

Not enough projectiles to take the 30/9 down if he turtles.

[Cyclopsided]

Did people really say 9/30 would beat 30/9 in a duel?
No. What? No. I'm sorry but that is not going to happen assuming equal skill.
30/9 with same gear & skill will win 90%+ of the time in a duel. I invite everyone with a 9/30 to duel my 30/9 in NA 3 duel.

[Xant]

Did people really say 9/30 would beat 30/9 in a duel?
No. What? No. I'm sorry but that is not going to happen assuming equal skill.
30/9 with same gear & skill will win 90%+ of the time in a duel. I invite everyone with a 9/30 to duel my 30/9 in NA 3 duel.

90% is a low number, too. More like 99%-100%. If the 30/9 build uses proper armor then the 9/30 will need like.. 15-20 hits to kill? Maybe more. Not to mention all the glances, which means the 30/9 doesn't even needs to block, he can attack and count on a glance.

[Snoozer]

wow thank you all this is my most successful thread.i thank all of you for your input its so interesting to me to see what others though of the subject

the tally is as of right now
30 strength/9 agility 60 (76.9%)
9 strength/30 agility 18 (23.1%)

so seeing how essentially there r two bases of ALL builds(one strength the other agility)
do you think agility should be buffed so that 30/9 and 9/30 would be on equal terms?

[Xant]

Uh, no? Agility is fine. If 9/30 would be on equal terms in 1v1 combat with 30/9, then why would you ever go for more than 9 str? Think about it.

[Bobthehero]

To use gear and I'll take a 30/9 melee build over any 9/30 ones.

[Jarlek]

3 shield skill,  board shield or 2 smaller shields, and heavy armor on the 30/9.

Not enough projectiles to take the 30/9 down if he turtles.

Horse, remember? That's why I said everything except hoplite. A 1h would be too short, twohander would lose the shield (making the HA/HC able to shoot them). Only a hoplite would really have any chance, but then it would be the build class and not the build specific that beats it.

But if we say no ranged and/or no horse, than the 30/9 would win.

ALSO! There is ONE big fault with this. What weapons and armour are people allowed to use? If they have to have same equipment than BOTH has to have cheap armour and BOTH must be less than requirement 3 horse/shield/bow with a less than 9 str weapon. THEN theSTR build would win, but as I mentioned above: If they could take any weapon/armour/equipment they can then the AGI HA/HC plated charger build would win against anything except a hoplite.

[Snoozer]

ALSO! There is ONE big fault with this. What weapons and armour are people allowed to use? If they have to have same equipment than BOTH has to have cheap armour and BOTH must be less than requirement 3 horse/shield/bow with a less than 9 str weapon. THEN theSTR build would win, but as I mentioned above: If they could take any weapon/armour/equipment they can then the AGI HA/HC plated charger build would win against anything except a hoplite.

oh no the only requirement is 30/9 nd 9/30 other then that you can do anything you wish

Uh, no? Agility is fine. If 9/30 would be on equal terms in 1v1 combat with 30/9, then why would you ever go for more than 9 str? Think about it.

of course im thinking about it.you are limited to the requirements of 9 str, that cuts off  almost ALL high tier weapons and armor and your attacks are glance quite a bit.(go look at all of your gear and see what you can use with only 9 strength)

so in other words you are borderline completely dependent on strength in every way without strength you cant have a viable character therefore agility is essentially useless without strength.and whats wrong if it were a possibility you only needed to go 9 strength to have a contender build when as of right now unless you have a lot of skill you will most likely get swatted like a pesky fly?

should the str requirements of weapons be lowered?
should agility have more agile movements in combats(higher jumps better footwork)
should inertia be added to the movement of characters to where agility an athletics make you faster inertia wise?

im just curius to see what the community thinks about the logic of it

[Xant]

It's dependent on strength yes, so? Balanced builds are the best builds, agi is fine. You're not supposed to dip too heavily into it.

[Snoozer]

oh my bad i edited my last reply too late Q_Q

[Snoozer]

It's dependent on strength yes, so? Balanced builds are the best builds, agi is fine. You're not supposed to dip too heavily into it.

y not?

 i would love agility to be a viable choice not just strength
i have to be 18 strength only because the weapons i use are in that tier not because i want to be a balance build if certain weapons where on lets say 15 str or 12 str mark im certain more would choos agility builds as well

[MrShine]

y not?

because you kill people with strength, not dancing.