Version 0.241

[Patricia]

Nothing, I don't care what you wrote. I just wanted to clear up some superstition concerning archery. I try to fight it with spreading knowledge. But as I said, a waste of time.

Might be a waste of time to >99% of the community but not to all, I for one end up in the official duel server with Gafferjack every single time there's a new patch or something to test, which is how we realized that the damage type of arrows didn't do jack before the hotfix.

So, I welcome these tests.

[Paul]

The current friction value lowers the projectile speed down to roughly about 91% at 20m, 84% at 40m  and 75% at 60m. The relation between damage and projectile speed is (k = (v1/v0)^1.9). That means the raw damage is about 83% at 20m, 72% at 40m and 58% at 60m.

Armored targets profit the most form this lowered (pre armor calc) raw damage. Actually thanks to the fact that ranged (different to melee) basicly uses Native armor parameters with a strong soak and weak reduce, good armors manage to soak arrows completely at distance.

Example:

- mundane tatar bow, mundane arrows
- 12 str, 150 active wpf, 4 PD
- body shot

distance 0 m:
raw damage:
prepatch(pp) bodkin -> 49c
bodkin -> 43p
tatar -> 48c

0 armor
pp bodkin: 44 | 47 | 49
bodkin: 38 | 41 | 43
tatar: 43 | 45 | 48

60 armor
pp bodkin: 0 | 7 | 19
bodkin: 1 | 10 | 21
tatar: <0 | 6 | 19

distance 40 m:
raw damage:
prepatch(pp) bodkin -> 49c * 0.72 = 35.3c
bodkin -> 43p * 0.72 = 31.0p
tatar -> 48c * 0.72 = 34.5c

0 armor
pp bodkin: 32 | 34 | 35
bodkin: 28 | 29 | 31
tatar: 31 | 33 | 35

60 armor
pp bodkin: <0 | 0 | 10
bodkin: <0 | 2 | 12
tatar: <0 | <0 | 9

[Dach]

Those are some pretty high numbers you got there. Nerfing archery would be reasonable thing to do but we all know you're not reasonable

We have to actively engage in a fight, you know. Not just pew pew from distance

- point blank

Fail... 

[justme]

hahaha what a lie... prepatch bodkin did more then 10 dmg, even with 70 armor

[Tears of Destiny]

hahaha what a lie... prepatch bodkin did more then 10 dmg, even with 70 armor

Only when a high power draw lunatic hits you, and they miss a lot considering their terrible reticules.

[Dezilagel]

Now replace those calcs with MW (rus/long) bow + arrows at 10-15 m (6-8 PD) for a view on what's actually the problem.

[Tears of Destiny]

Honestly after testing it, every Fallen archer I know is still using their normal preference of ammunition. Bodkins are only helping us against a select few targets on the battlefield, this is not really a big deal, at least to us. Most of our targets don't have high enough armour for it to be worth the crippling low ammo count.

[Nehvar]

I've been losing 90-95% of my health (64HP) to single longbow shots at the 10-20m range while in my scrub-needs-money armor (gambeson).  I think archery is doing alright after this patch.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

Paul something about your numbers can't be true, because with the longbow the damage is higher when the target is about 20 meters awy than with 0 meters :/

Don't know why, but for a lordly transitional I needed 3 shots in the middle of the chest 2 meters distance, but 2 shots from 15 or something  :/

And on a battleserver I took 60% health of a lordly transitional, although the guy was miillleeess awy^^ Ok I have 7 pd and 8 wm, but on short distance I couldn't take that much with 1 shot.



Guys don't forget that powerdraw isn't the only thing that defines your damage. High wpf has it's count, too, if that hasn't been changed.

[Tears of Destiny]

If you are at a higher elevation then it will drastically change damage, this may explain your "uber damage" shot.

[The_danish_lost_viking]

how do i start the server up in WSE???

[San]

I LOVE THE NEW BOUNCING, now there's a reason to use shorter weapons.

Siege is epic watching Danish greatswords and Glaives get caught on walls and stairs as I easily hack through due to my shorter weapon.

ALSO NO SWINGING THROUGH DOORS FINALLY !

EPIC WIN IMO.



NERF BUTT HUGGING TEAM MATES
to compensate for the wall hit box buff.

I knew something was weird. I randomly decided to siege yesterday and was easily doing well even though I was blindly rushing in, letting myself get 5-6 v 1d, and doing much better than usual.

I actually really like the new patch a lot, especially with the melee and ranged tweaks.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

Erm....hitting through doors actually still works :/

[Arkatos]

Erm....hitting through doors actually still works :/

Sweet polearms.

[Overdriven]

Honestly after testing it, every Fallen archer I know is still using their normal preference of ammunition. Bodkins are only helping us against a select few targets on the battlefield, this is not really a big deal, at least to us. Most of our targets don't have high enough armour for it to be worth the crippling low ammo count.

This. After a bit of thinking about it + lots of switching between arrow types, I've decided that bodkins are really only useful against the top tier armours (barbs with horn bow frequently get 0 damage hits against platers). But considering I don't often attack heavily armoured inf, and tend to focus purely on enemy cav and their horses/light archers, the benefits of it are small. And besides, if I do decide to shoot heavier foes, I rather like putting arrow after arrow into them and seeing how angry they get at me on chat.

So I decided to retire and loom my barbed arrows for now.