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Offline Rendar1970

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Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« on: January 27, 2011, 04:59:41 am »
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I have a character that I have decided to make a mounter 1h sword and board toon.  I have 150 something 1h wpf.

I was thinking of going with bastard sword for this.  Yes its a 2h weapon, but its cheap and has the range, and I dont think the damage penalty will hurt that much once the speed bonus is added in.

Do you think this will make a decent weapon for my purposes?

How bad is Bastard Sword with a shield on foot for when my horse inevitable dies?

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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2011, 05:21:18 am »
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Mounted, it will be okay.

On foot with a shield, it is terrible.
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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2011, 05:34:16 am »
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The longsowrd is the best bastard sword imo to use as cav, but it seems WPF does not really matter. I am a polearm build as cav and I picked up a 1h sword to try it out and got 6 kills in a round with 1 WPF. If you want something decent to try, try a bar mace on horseback, no shield bu it is really fucking good at tearing people down. Once you have momentum, wpf does not matter as long as you hit fast and hard
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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2011, 09:45:58 am »
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I wouldn't use a halfsword with shield even on horse. You swing very slow and need to time your attack precisly.
(30% dmg and speed less with shield)
Used the Morningstar on horse for quite a long time and i always ended up putting my shield on the back.
Go for Sarranid Cav Sword if you want range, Nordic Champion for swing or Knightly Arming for stab dmg.
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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2011, 12:07:03 pm »
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I wouldn't use a halfsword with shield even on horse. You swing very slow and need to time your attack precisly.
(30% dmg and speed less with shield)
Used the Morningstar on horse for quite a long time and i always ended up putting my shield on the back.
Go for Sarranid Cav Sword if you want range, Nordic Champion for swing or Knightly Arming for stab dmg.

Actually I preferred the sarranid guard sword more
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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2011, 12:18:18 pm »
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Go for Sarranid Cav Sword if you want range, Nordic Champion for swing or Knightly Arming for stab dmg.

I think you missed the changes to the 1h weapons the patch brought:

Sarranid Cavalry Sword 5308 weight 1.35
requirement 8
spd rtng 95
weapon length 105
swing damage 33, cut
thrust damage 19 pierce

Nordic Champion's Sword 7842 weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 32, cut
thrust damage 21 pierce

Actually I preferred the sarranid guard sword more

Sarranid Guard Sword 4816 weight 1.25
requirement 6
spd rtng 99
weapon length 100
swing damage 30, cut
thrust damage 20 pierce

You trade in 3 cut damage and 5 range for 4 speed. From horseback, the damage you can deal in 1 hit is much more important than those 4 speed. Due to the damage bonus from the movementspeed, those 3 points in cut damage really do make a difference.

There's no reason to pick the NCS over the SCS when you intend to use it on horseback. I would advise you to bring a cheap secondary weapon for when you get dismounted, as the 95 speed on the SCS makes it terribad in melee. Something in the 1800-2500 gold range.

My gear would look like this (themed gear, you can pick whatever the hell you want obviously):
Steppe Horse 12645
Sarranid Cavalry Sword 5308
Round Cavalry Shield 2074 (or the elite cavalry shield depending on gear)
Sarranid Mail Shirt 5823
Sarranid Keffiyeh Helmet 1936
Leather Gloves 289
Sarranid Leather Boots 143
Total cost: 28218 gold.

A big bonus would be being able to manual block. In that case, the shield is only needed to catch arrows/blows while being mounted and you can put the shield away to negate the speedpenalty in melee. The 95 speed on the SCS makes it usuable without a shield, but a bit too slow with a shield imo. Footwork becomes very important if you do intend to use the SCS with a shield.
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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2011, 12:34:27 pm »
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Yeah, haven't noticed the damage buff, definatly first choice when fighting from horseback.
The low price is a special bonus aswell countering the horse a tiny bit.
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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2011, 04:23:26 pm »
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Do not use a bar mace on horseback.

You will feel like a huge fucking pansy, and that's because you WILL BE a huge fucking pansy.

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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2011, 04:34:58 pm »
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The longsowrd is the best bastard sword imo to use as cav, but it seems WPF does not really matter. I am a polearm build as cav and I picked up a 1h sword to try it out and got 6 kills in a round with 1 WPF. If you want something decent to try, try a bar mace on horseback, no shield bu it is really fucking good at tearing people down. Once you have momentum, wpf does not matter as long as you hit fast and hard

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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2011, 04:37:09 pm »
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why? barmace is the morning star of post-patch crpg
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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2011, 09:14:29 pm »
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Any suggestions for cheap one handers to use from horse? Preferably in the 3k range? I used nomad sabre, simple sword and bastard sword and they don't cut the mustard.

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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2011, 09:18:58 pm »
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Fighting axe might be fun every now and then... it's a very cheap 90-length shieldbreaker.

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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2011, 09:19:46 pm »
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You could try the good ol:

Scimitar 3380 weight 1.25
requirement 6
spd rtng 101
weapon length 97
swing damage 30, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce

All the others is just a range problem really. 97 is allready a bit short for horseback, but most of the other weapons in the 3k range are even shorter.
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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2011, 09:45:56 pm »
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1h on a horse is not really working... You will spend most of the time running away from mounted lancers.

My main weapon now is a Heavy Bastard sword. I have tried most 1h on a horse before the patch, as i played 1h+Shield pre-patch myself.
Now, I only use my sword when i am off the horse, or my horse is stuck. Even though i have 0 WPP in polearms - there are little options besides light/normal/heavy lances...

Use the lance, and when de-horsed - drop your lance and change to sword. As much as i dont want to use a lance - its just way more efficient, and makes me rage less.

If you 100% NEED to use a 1h+Shield, you should take a light crossbow with you. Not so much for shooting, but more to scare lanced horsemen, who will hunt you as an easy prey otherwise. The upkeep will raise, but that is a tradeoff for getting some space to breath.
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Re: Bastard sword mounted sword and board?
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2011, 08:05:24 am »
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Another Question for all you.

When your 1h/shield on horseback, how do you line up your swings?

Do you look a little in the direction of your target, like say if your going to pass the target on the left, so he is on your right side, you hold right swing.

Do you look straight ahead at the horizon when you swing, or do you look right and slightly down at the target?


Just curious because I find myself literally grazing the target with my horse, but missing the swing.  Using Sar Cav Sword.