upcoming poll: What could be done about unreachable spots?

[Slamz]

One more idea, though this would require a code change, I'm sure:

* Once a ladder is placed, only the enemy team can destroy it

Which means you could potentially screw up and lock yourself into an alley, essentially creating your very own holding cell, but them's the risks.  Any ladder you place to get up onto a rooftop cannot be destroyed by anyone on your team.

[Teeth]

One easy solution may be to make "master of the field" start when the timer runs out OR when 80% of the people on either team are dead.

Except that nobody likes master of the field.

[Smoothrich]

One more idea, though this would require a code change, I'm sure:

* Once a ladder is placed, only the enemy team can destroy it

Which means you could potentially screw up and lock yourself into an alley, essentially creating your very own holding cell, but them's the risks.  Any ladder you place to get up onto a rooftop cannot be destroyed by anyone on your team.

This is a bad idea because what if a team spawned in some choke point alleyway at the start of a match, then a troll blocked off the one exit with a ladder.

I have to say I rarely see pecores archers on roofs. And Pecores archers are seriously dangerous. I hate pecores because they can always hit me regardless of where I am on a map and at what speed/angle I'm riding. EU official archers are nubs in comparison to the archers that play on there.

Don't remind me about Pecores archers, I had to deal with them plenty in strat    So many headshots

[Penitent]

do nothing.  This is a non-issue.

[Slamz]

Except that nobody likes master of the field.

Why wouldn't they?

The bottom line complaint here seems to be that people get impatient and want rounds to end quicker.  If they'd just wait, the timer would run out and archers would HAVE to come down from the roof to fight.  Problem solved!  It's not that people don't like master of the field, it's that they don't want to wait for it.

Making master of the field start up sooner would make them happy, I'd think.  It just gives the final survivors a focal point to meet at.

[San]

Remove ladders

but

add more permanent ladders to roofs in a balanced  (as much as possible at least) way.

[highglandeur]

thanks for the ideas guys

I forgott about the fact that unbreakable ladders, even the option proposed by slamz, could really bring annoying bugs. The example of a troll blocking everyone by Smoothrich is pretty convincing.

42%  are against removing ladders we can't ignore them.

So we're left with making ladders weightless and less slots or making "master of the field" start earlier or do nothing and let admins do the job.

[Overdriven]

Don't remind me about Pecores archers, I had to deal with them plenty in strat    So many headshots

It was the Drz archers that got me in strat 

[Slamz]

Just a thought....
Remove the ability to equip ladders on battle maps, but provide an "endless ladder supply" at the spawn location.  There's a ladder there and if you pick it up, another one spawns.  Up to 10 ladders can be out at a time.  If you want a new one after that, you'll need to destroy one of the existing ladders.

So nobody needs to bring their own ladders -- there are simply ladders available.  Archers up on a roof?  Deploy a ladder.  They kick it down?  Go get another one.

[Kafein]

We need a beating a dead horse emoticon.  This has already been discussed to death on these forums.  Please do a search.

We will continue discussing this until a solution is finally found. It is obvious you want the statu quo.


Highglandeur, you can add "spawning MOTF flags at the start of the round" as a possible solution. It discourages camping in all it's forms and puts the emphasis on melee combat. Archers running away ? No problem you don't need to kill them. Same for cav and archers on roofs.

[highglandeur]

Hey kafein, MOTF as start would be ok if the flags did not spawn at a random location but in a "balanced" location. Also i guess most of us would see it as another game type (siege, battle, MOTF, DTV lol). But thanks I like your style.
The "endless ladder supply at the spawn location" idea seems quite good too, slamz you have so many ideas you should ask money for it...


I'll make the list for god chadz as follow:

.endless ladder supply at spawn location  or weightless ladders,
.MOTF after 30 secs,
.Remove couched lance,
.Make ennemy spawn unreachable for cav
.Nerf xbow damage.

Is it ok with you guys?



edited cause 4th point is stupid (spawncamping)

[Gurnisson]

For archers being Immortal to 67% of the server

That's only cav nowadays

[Fluffy_Muffin]

MOTF would work if there wasnt always that one retard that wont listen and gets killed on the last minute

Imo an automatic MOTF on one minute remaining would be the best solution for both sides

Archers could still be bundle of stickss up untill the last min and inf would have a chance if they wait till the automatic flag spawn

[Leshma]

Well, if they remove the ladder archers will still be able to get on some roofs cause they have high agi while some armored guys won't be able to do the same. Also strategic component will suffer cause of that.

Maybe it's better to make ladder unbreakable if possible. That way once placed ladder will stay there till the end of the round, every place will be reachable and also placing ladders will help infantry and archers to overcome cav OPness, effectively slowing them down where needed.

[Turkhammer]

do nothing.  This is a non-issue.

+1