Author Topic: The Crusades in the Holy Land (Read 33353 times)

Janis_Corp · « **Reply #45 on:** February 10, 2011, 06:16:09 pm »

hahaha

the pope coming from my state bavaria

Fluffy_Muffin · « **Reply #46 on:** February 11, 2011, 10:28:20 pm »

Quote from: Thucydides on February 05, 2011, 06:25:16 pm

there was no money to be made in the crusades, it was waged purely for religious reasons. As foreign as it sounds to us, the crusaders truely believed in god and redemption

Yeah maybe at the start, when the crusaders actualy got there it was a whole diferent story. You dont have to go far into the crusades you could look at the very first. Oh and about the Constantinopole comment, they did ask for help and the crusaders were supposed to give the land back to the Byznatine empire.

It was supposed to be a unity between the east and west christianity against the muslims, that didnt happen tho purely because of money/power/land and the greed of the crusaders claming Antioch, Edessa and so on for themselves. :/

I bet the Byzantine emperor was pissed, not to mention the muslims. Maybe we would have a united chuch today, but oh well greed ftl as always...

LordBerenger · « **Reply #47 on:** March 03, 2011, 09:10:48 am »

But that would mean there would perhaps not been a Ottoman Empire o.O

Safavid · « **Reply #48 on:** March 06, 2011, 12:13:08 am »

The Crusades failed because the Crusaders committed genocide against Jews, Orthodox Christians, and Muslims. Also, the sleeping lions of Islam were awaken to answer the call of defensive Jihad on behalf of the protected peoples "Dhimmi" (Jews & Orthodox Christians) and the Muslims.

However, the Crusades (in Jerusalem and Al-Andalus) resulted in the ideas of Islamic Civilization being passed on to Europe, which created the Renaissance and later the USA. Also, the Templars due to their heavy influence of Islam on their return to Europe were banned by the Catholic Church and sent underground with secret societies such as the Freemasons which passed on the spiritual message of Islam through Freemasonry. This of course resulted in the creation of the United States of America later in history based on Freemasonic (Islamic, Christians, and Jewish) esotericism. Freemasonry teaches "The Fatherhood of God (Allah) and the (Muslim Brotherhood: Submitter to God's peace and harmony in brotherhood with humankind) brotherhood of man".

Basically, our founding fathers in the USA created the United States on a foundation that is based on Islamic, Jewish, and Christian esoterics. That is why I find it ironically funny when right wing fanatics here say that the USA was founded on Christianity. It was actually the multicultural and perennial philosophy in Islam that helped make America what it is, which again that same multiculturalism is under threat by the right wing neo-crusaders.

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Fluffy_Muffin · « **Reply #49 on:** March 06, 2011, 01:44:08 am »

Much of what you stated is complete gibberish, however some parts are true. Mainly the positive effects of Islamic culture and tehnology.

Oh and the Templars werent banned because of what you said but im to lazy right now to elaborate, maybe later