Remove the ladders from Battle please. POLL

[Babelfish]

Maybe because the archers have a range weapon and are participating the entire battle?

Main is archer. Try again.

[Tears of Destiny]

Main is archer. Try again.

Maybe because people hate you for having the Ninja tag?

[Babelfish]

Maybe because people hate you?

Touche.

[Prpavi]

Maybe because the archers have a range weapon and are participating the entire battle?

maybe thats why they shouldnt be allowed to stay unreachable no matter the circumstances (number of players in their team on the ground)

[Phazey]

...they shouldnt be allowed to stay unreachable no matter the circumstances

Actually, not really a bad idea.

The obvious 'problem' then becomes this: enemies can just run to the ladder, swiftly destroy it in two or three blows and then hide and demand the roofcampers come down.

But... that's actually not that bad... is it? Roofcamping allowed if the roof is reachable... that way the roofcampers must try to keep their ladder intact instead of making it attractive for them to destroy it.

What do we think guys? What would happen if roofcamping was not allowed unless the roof is reachable?

[Tears of Destiny]

What do we think guys? What would happen if roofcamping was not allowed unless the roof is reachable?

Well on NA that happens all the time, and nobody ever complains... ever. Besides Farmer_nate, but that means you are doing it right.

A lot of matches on certain maps end with people trudging up a static ladder or stair trying to budge some defenders (usually get slaughtered in the process though) but nobody seems to complain all that much which is odd.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

To save the honour of archers, I'm an archer and I voted for it because I hate being on a rooftop and I don't like all those camping archers^^

[Prpavi]

What do we think guys? What would happen if roofcamping was not allowed unless the roof is reachable?

i think that would work really well and would be no need for removal of ladders.

as soon as the ladder falls you need to come down!

sounds good but one fault, requires heavy admining all the time on servers. thats why i made a proposition fo removal of the ladders because all the things u said Phaz work i theory but we all know ppl are going to abuse the system (like they are doing it now) and this was a permanent solution wich doesnt require constatnt admin monitoring..

the second best proposal i saw here was to make the ladders destroyable only by the opposite team, but again same applies as stated above, way too much abuse posibilities.

[Smoothrich]

Just remove the ladders already, the majority wants it and its a great idea, rooftop camping and delaying is horrible and just bad gameplay, no tactics are involved just hiding and basically griefing

[Phazey]

sounds good but one fault, requires heavy admining all the time on servers.

we got'z lotsa admins 

hmm i'm convinced now. don't remove ladders. instead: disallow camping unreachable places. that, and buff ladder hp. 

[Tears of Destiny]

Buffing ladders would be nice as currently they are as strong as the hurt egos of all the clanners who post in the strat war threads. Doubling HP would be nice.

[Babelfish]

we got'z lotsa admins 

hmm i'm convinced now. don't remove ladders. instead: disallow camping unreachable places. that, and buff ladder hp. 

This i could agree with, makes it possible for the regular players to grief back by destroying ladders.
 But the thing is, people like myself would make it their mission to destroy those ladders, allies or not.

The only real solution in my opinion is to remove ladders from battle. They cause nothing but grief through lame 'tactics'. Instead of ladders, we could get some of the old maps back, instead of these open-field-with-one-village-maps that forces people to play lame to avoid getting raped by 1000 cavalry.
 

[Phazey]

But the thing is, people like myself would make it their mission to destroy those ladders, allies or not.

Well then i'd suggest adding the rule: "do not destroy friendly ladders"

You say roof campers cause you grief, but come on. Grief? That's ridiculous. You are just pissed off that archers get to have a safe spot on most maps.

The problem here is not the roofs or the roof camping, it's the fact that those roofs are often unreachable because nobody on your team (including you) have the sense to bring a ladder to a village fight.

[Babelfish]

Well then i'd suggest adding the rule: "do not destroy friendly ladders"

You say roof campers cause you grief, but come on. Grief? That's ridiculous. You are just pissed off that archers get to have a safe spot on most maps.

The problem here is not the roofs or the roof camping, it's the fact that those roofs are often unreachable because nobody on your team (including you) have the sense to bring a ladder to a village fight.

Im all for archers having some kind of protection from infantry & cavalry, but roof-camping houses that are not supposed to be camped in the first place, is not it. Take the native maps, most of them have places where range can stand and shoot at other players with some protection. IE high-ground, staircases, roofs with built-in-ladders. These are fine.
 Whats not fine, is facing roof-campers with no possible retaliation against them, until everyone else on their team is dead.
   Its not fine that infantry & cavalry have to kill off the entire enemy team, save for those campers, before they are able to touch them.

In my eyes this is grieving, its a loophole in the rules, that allows them to stay alive until the end of the match, while being able to rain down arrows on their enemy.   
 About ladders, its not always a viable tactic to bring a counter-ladder.. Reason being, on some maps you have to walk 1-2min just to get to their camping spot. Chances are, you wont be making the run alive, ladders seems to attract extra attention (arrows & lances). Also its easier to camp the other side, but do we really need more lame tactics?
  Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Dezilagel]

archers get to have a safe spot

This is the problem imho.

Just by bringing a ladder, ranged can render 2/3 of the playerbase completely useless, while still being able to stay effective themselves.

The whole concept of having access to "unreachable" places seems flawed to me - imagine if it was the other way around:


- Curses! The enemy hath brought archers to the field!

- What should we do m'lord?

- Bring out the RainbowRepellant 25-1-D

- The what?

- The RainbowRepellant! You know that little device for 2000 gold that makes all melee users on your team immune to ranged. Best of all, it automatically detects all forms of rangedbundle of sticksry and will block all melee attacks from anyone weilding a ranged weapon aswell. You're completely immune to them!

- Oh... Cooleth m'lord...


Srsly tho, I have to agree with whoever suggested that if the ladder is destroyed, the archers should be forced to go down.

Best thing would be an automatic system:

Ladder destroyed, ladder destroyed! Commencing ladderpulting of all archers in 3... 2... 1...