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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2011, 10:11:24 pm »
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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2011, 10:23:16 pm »
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SoA is no more. OotL inherits the land through Personal Union. Camels and Lljk are neutral. Acre is independent to the right of the desert near Barriye.

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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2011, 10:39:59 pm »
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What the fuck you smoking bro?

Crusaders of Acre exist and are not LLJK....LLJK are independant but SoA=Ootl

I thought was what I put but perhaps a missed SoA will clarify - "SoA will be removed once as expected their provinces are all taken by OotL"

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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2011, 10:44:41 pm »
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LLJK is at war with LLJK and has no alliances one way or the other. Once the civil war is resolved we will be open to further diplomatic actions.
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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #49 on: August 25, 2011, 12:09:45 am »
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LLJK is at war with LLJK and has no alliances one way or the other. Once the civil war is resolved we will be open to further diplomatic actions.

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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2011, 12:28:35 am »
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We were not enemies with SoA and neither with their replacements. We dont have any pos or neg relations with LLJK and their vassals.

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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2011, 12:39:36 am »
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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2011, 01:03:30 am »
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We were not enemies with SoA and neither with their replacements. We dont have any pos or neg relations with LLJK and their vassals.

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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2011, 03:11:41 am »
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So here's what I've changed on the relation sheet

SoA currently remain SoA but are now allied with OotL (new faction) and LLJK instead of Crusaders of Acre and CamelScreamers.  They will be removed once as expected their provinces are all taken by OotL
OotL have been created and are allied with SoA and LLJK

I wonder if the Turks still consider SoA enemies and will they see OotL/LLJK as enemies now?
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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2011, 03:32:32 am »
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BIRD CLAN is currently at war with ATS, but once that is done we will get back to our ~-=-~FoReVeR~WaR~-=-~ with the scum LLJK.
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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #55 on: August 25, 2011, 03:41:36 am »
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NAPs:
through the last peace treaty "toilet brb - Official Declaration of Peace" we have NAPs with
Mercenaries (Mercs)
RuConquista
Chosen Hands of the Ascended Order of Stratia (Chaos)
Free Companies of Calradia (FCC)
The Kingdom of Veluca (TKoV)
Knights of the Black Rose (Blackrose)

We don't have any alliances, basicly we try to stay neutral as long we see the possibility for it and we can make contracts to strengthen us in different ways. Wargs joined us as vassals.
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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #56 on: August 25, 2011, 04:54:43 am »
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Hmm I remember another clan that tried to stay neutral as possible.  Wonder where they are now...
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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #57 on: August 25, 2011, 05:29:39 am »
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Hmm I remember another clan that tried to stay neutral as possible.  Wonder where they are now...

Basically everyone needs to acknowledge themselves as vassals of BIRD clan and they can play their peaceful games of neutrality without ever having to fight anyone... otherwise face the mighy fury of the GodKing of BIRD!!!!
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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #58 on: August 25, 2011, 07:12:44 am »
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Staying as neutral as possible will just bring you to your end (Best example, Northern Empire). If you don't help people, don't expect help when people come to your door.

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Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
« Reply #59 on: August 25, 2011, 10:26:35 am »
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@Sphinxer
Neutrality is the ideal status of a Mercenary Faction as i see it.
An Ideal at foremost, something to reach for, but never reached.

@Tomas
BTW, i see some other Categories and basic definitions we could use.
As i am still under the impression that this game is in a medieval time hrhrhr,
i took some freedoms with logic, when i thought i could express the characteristic trait in a more colorful way,
i hope i succeeded at least a little  :oops:

EDIT: I am not an excel specialist and just learned about conditional formating, check it out, in the long run it could perhaps save some time updating the spreadsheet. I don't know how to make a menu though which would be perhaps even more better.

Categories and basic definitions:
  • War( the last tool of diplomacy, the first rule to superiority )
  • Hostility - Enemies ( There had bean war, since then there is not really peace, no NAP )
  • Unsure ( having them at my doorsteps without any relation, what do they think who they are rooaaaar ;) )
  • Neutrality ( the state of tranquility, balance and stability, presses to compromise , trade without expanding the realm )
  • NAP ( enough bloodshed, there shall not die another man )
  • Coalition ( >=3 Factions, implies a common target/operational goal, but no further bounds )
  • Friends ( Factions you want to have close so they perhaps would help you :) as you like each other and each of you sees the other also as buffer zone(cynical isn't it ^^, )
  • Defence & Support Treaty ( only between 2 Factions )
  • Defence Alliance(>= 3 clans, if without aggression attacked one of the partners, all come to aid, if someone of the members attack on their own, the others need not to join in )
  • Full Alliance (Same as the Defence Alliance, only that this type alliance decides that they always act in sync through a council, every faction with 2 votes, at a draw, a within the council member rotating post as Council Elder(monthly), gets a second vote )
  • Vassal and Protector - Vassalage ( we die for each other ) [I take offence to the title "Master", as a Vassal would do, as they are the closest to the own blood).

suggestion for color code (RGB) :
  • War - red (255,0,0)
  • Hostility(Enemies) - orange (255,153,0)
  • Unsure - yellow (255,255,0)
  • Neutrality - dark Blue (0,0,255)
  • NAP - light blue (0,204,255)
  • Coalition - not quite that light blue  :mrgreen: (153,204,255)
  • Friends - blue green (0,128,128)
  • Defence & Support Treaty - dark green(0,128,0)
  • Defence Alliance - lighter green(179,213,128)
  • Full Alliance - shiny green(204,255,204)
  • Vassal and Protector - green! everything is green! (0,255,0)

If the data collected here
would work with either a website like this one (author:vinnytk?)
or/and  Strategus Territorial Map (author:Comrade_Temuzu?)

and implemented through the Eye Candy scritp additions (author:Chort?)
would then by clicking on a faction, show their relations in color on the map, which would give us a good tactical base to judge a faction in combination with also geographical effects to estimate situations.


Another thought came to mind...

As in the excel sheat, the leaders or the authorized diplomats need to confirm, there might be variances how relations in between those 2 spreahsheet crossing Factions compared might see each other.
This can be perhaps better be seen in the terretorial map, as these data could be used either to try harder to get better or worse relation ships or let you see opening to engage in another area/era/stage/level of diplomacy.

And while we are at it ...

how about letting us see dependencies between a factions member count and the count of fiefs they maintain.
F.E. it looks in extremes like, many fiefs few members kind of fogy and solid the other way round.
So who is overextending now?

Finally!

Give me on the strategus character page a relation ship link, where i can fill in on my own(rank 10-9), my relations who i am willing to make openly known.

far in the Future:
use this as a good tool for diplomacy


So this took some time and i hope some of you guys can make something happen with it.


farewell

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PS: why the hell does if i click within Strategus On Character Page or Strategus Map, always open a new TAB, am i a child who can't press the mousewheel  :twisted:
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