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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #375 on: February 18, 2012, 02:47:11 am »
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Perhaps I am using the word feint incorrectly.

It prevents you from canceling a started swing.

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Added "unbalanced" flag to heavy two-handed weapons, which gives them a brief delay to switch to defense, once an attack has been started.
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #376 on: February 21, 2012, 04:27:45 am »
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wrong. Just the timeframe to cancel the attack is much shorter.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #377 on: August 09, 2012, 02:19:14 pm »
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Necro.

Longspears and pikes:

+ Make them both 2 slot
+ Add new overhead animation for spears
+ Add pike couch
-  Remove blocking

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #378 on: August 09, 2012, 02:26:41 pm »
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Leave as 3 slot.
Leave blocking.

Add pike couch.
Add overhead animation.
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #379 on: August 09, 2012, 03:32:25 pm »
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+ Make them both 2 slot
+ Add new overhead animation for spears
+ Add pike couch
-  Remove blocking

^
Would make them really boring weapons


Leave as 3 slot.
Leave blocking.

Add pike couch.
Add overhead animation.

^
A new overhead animation would make them quite overpowered
I voted Gurnisson cause of his fucking bendy pike, I swear noone can roflcopter stab like he can.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #380 on: August 09, 2012, 03:37:35 pm »
+1
+make them 2 slot
+give them old overhand animation (assuming you can't cheese overhand right over teammates anymore)
-remove blocking

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #381 on: August 09, 2012, 03:44:12 pm »
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^
Would make them really boring weapons

They are anti cav weapons, they should be boring. If you want to fight infantry you have Long Awlpike, Heavy Lance, Bamboo spear and other (shorter) pikes/spears/lances.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #382 on: August 09, 2012, 03:48:01 pm »
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Necro.

Y u no let it die?

Longspears and pikes:

+ Make them both 2 slot
+ Add new overhead animation for spears
+ Add pike couch
-  Remove blocking

+ Add speed buff to 200

WIN!
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #383 on: August 09, 2012, 03:54:00 pm »
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They are anti cav weapons

They are bad anti-cav weapons unless you're facing retarded cav, stay hidden around a wall or the cav underestimate your length. Even then, it's only when some cavalry underestimate the length and I can stab the horse's face from the side that the pike is a better anti-cav weapon than the bamboo, bill and long awlpike. I killed tons more cav when I bamboo, bill and long awlpike. Pike doesn't pack the punch, every cav can see it from miles away (and won't get close to them because they're not retarded) and it's painfully slow. However, in group combat the pike rocks, totally. It's length can terrorize the opponent's infantry mob. A timed thrust to a charging enemy can one-hit if you hit the face and abuse the speed bonus, and even if you don't, you'll still create doubt within there ranks, having a long weapon dealing quite massive damage (when used right)

Cav underestimate bamboo and the long awlpike. and they're not as easy to spot from far away (especially the long awlpike). They're also strong enough and fast enough to take down most horses when you've reared them, unlike the pikes. If you one-hit the horse with say the long awlpike, you'll definitely one-hit the rider by stabbing his head on the ground.

It's the opposite of what you said. Long Awlpike and Bamboo Spear are anti-cav, long spears and pikes only repel cav within a 3m radius of the piker himself, but their massive length makes them great for infantry support. I've used all of those weapons (english bill, bamboo spear, long awlpike and pike) dedicated for a long, long time.
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #384 on: August 09, 2012, 03:58:01 pm »
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Necro.

Longspears and pikes:

+ Make them both 2 slot
+ Add new overhead animation for spears
+ Add pike couch
-  Remove blocking

Make it interesting. Make it DIFFERENT. Might stay at three slots though, or need a buff for speed and/or damage.
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #385 on: August 09, 2012, 04:08:51 pm »
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What is the purpose of pike couch? Can someone explain this to me? Put one end of a pike in the ground and then wait for some moronic cav to impale itself? Or what?

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #386 on: August 09, 2012, 04:16:27 pm »
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What is the purpose of pike couch? Can someone explain this to me? Put one end of a pike in the ground and then wait for some moronic cav to impale itself? Or what?

My guess is that leshma meant a pike brace. Instead of thrusting, if an enemy runs into it they get impaled.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #387 on: August 09, 2012, 04:17:21 pm »
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So, what, brace pike in a doorway, profit?

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #388 on: August 09, 2012, 04:36:17 pm »
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I want real couch on foot, just like on horse. Instakill and unblockable ofc!

And Gurrison is right... long spear and pike are kinda bad anti cav, because no cav comes near you anymore. I kill more horses with my beloved Light Lance than with Long Spear.
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #389 on: August 09, 2012, 04:41:00 pm »
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yeahh look, as much as i hate jump swing and jump stab abusers, there is a really easy way to counter the long spear.

all you need to do is stand still and hold your block down. if he gets close to try and kick slash just back away.

see who loses their patience first.

if he tries to run just follow him.
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