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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #180 on: August 17, 2011, 12:40:19 am »
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theres a reason why jump slashes arent taught in Martial Arts

That's because when your in the air you can't change directions and you leave yourself very open to attack.

Not necessarily the inability to perform an attack while your in the air.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #181 on: August 17, 2011, 06:35:28 am »
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Okay so to sum up this interaction, your argument was...?

"Longspears should keep their blocks just because". Maybe you are right, but why not explain?

This would mean removing block from english bill, swiss halberd, poleaxes etc. You really want to go down that road?

It would be much easier to do with a weapon that isn't longer than your entire body + a good chunk.

In all honesty once you chamber an attack with the pike you should not be able to move. ...

For the love of god remove the overhand attack, if it really is a support weapon than an overhand attack voids it.

Well that applies to every weapon in the game. So if you chamber any attack you should just have magically stuck feet?  :lol: Also remove the overhead from other weapons too. They aren't supposed to do that...  :rolleyes:
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #182 on: August 17, 2011, 08:03:36 am »
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This would mean removing block from english bill, swiss halberd, poleaxes etc. You really want to go down that road?

Well that applies to every weapon in the game. So if you chamber any attack you should just have magically stuck feet?  :lol: Also remove the overhead from other weapons too. They aren't supposed to do that...  :rolleyes:

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #183 on: August 17, 2011, 06:13:43 pm »
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This would mean removing block from english bill, swiss halberd, poleaxes etc. You really want to go down that road?

Well that applies to every weapon in the game. So if you chamber any attack you should just have magically stuck feet?  :lol: Also remove the overhead from other weapons too. They aren't supposed to do that...  :rolleyes:

Chambering an attack is not the same as chamber blocking an attack.

Chambering an attack is the act of bringing the weapon up in preparation to attack. What my suggestion is not allowing the super long pike weapons to move once they have an attack prepared, I would even try to limit how much they can adjust where their attack is directed once it is prepared also.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #184 on: August 18, 2011, 09:03:48 am »
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Chambering an attack is not the same as chamber blocking an attack.

Chambering an attack is the act of bringing the weapon up in preparation to attack. What my suggestion is not allowing the super long pike weapons to move once they have an attack prepared, I would even try to limit how much they can adjust where their attack is directed once it is prepared also.
read what you quoted again
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #185 on: August 18, 2011, 09:31:35 am »
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read what you quoted again

You caught that too huh?
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #186 on: August 18, 2011, 08:59:25 pm »
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read what you quoted again

In mount and blade terms it is incorrect I guess, or means the same thing really.

But I am trying to differentiate the two, basically if you prepare an attack you shouldn't be able to move with the weapon.

In the real world chambering an attack means having the attack ready to throw, since chamber blocks aren't really a real thing in the way they are portrayed in M&B.

Sorry for not conforming to the imaginary non real code of lingo.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #187 on: August 19, 2011, 03:34:50 am »
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In mount and blade terms it is incorrect I guess, or means the same thing really.

But I am trying to differentiate the two, basically if you prepare an attack you shouldn't be able to move with the weapon.

In the real world chambering an attack means having the attack ready to throw, since chamber blocks aren't really a real thing in the way they are portrayed in M&B.

Sorry for not conforming to the imaginary non real code of lingo.
no, dude. He was referring to chambering as preparing / holding, not chamber blocking. That was my whole post point. Just read it again.
Nobody was disagreeing with your definition of chambering an attack.
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #188 on: August 19, 2011, 06:36:09 pm »
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You can slow them down all you like, they will still rule melee group fights, it is just the nature of those weapons. And, yeah, apparently the same thing happened IRL too :o

What happened IRL?  Swinging a 10 foot pole while jumping and over head smashing with it?  I don't think so.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #189 on: August 19, 2011, 06:43:48 pm »
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No, pike formations stomping stuff in melee.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #190 on: August 19, 2011, 06:54:37 pm »
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Doesnt fix anything. The point is to force the pikeman to drop his weapon when enemy is close and stop exploiting with lolstab, not to force him to actually use his pike all the time.

3 slot pike/longspear + no blocking sounds okay.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #191 on: August 19, 2011, 06:57:48 pm »
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Then many other weapons deserve 3 slots as well.

And a Pike should at the very least be able to block stabs, how do you figure two pikeblocks would fight?

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #192 on: August 19, 2011, 06:57:53 pm »
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No, pike formations stomping stuff in melee.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #193 on: August 20, 2011, 12:14:58 am »
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Then many other weapons deserve 3 slots as well.

And a Pike should at the very least be able to block stabs, how do you figure two pikeblocks would fight?

I don't think pike men would fight each other without shields.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #194 on: August 20, 2011, 01:52:35 am »
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I don't think pike men would fight each other without shields.

swiss pikemen?