Long Maul & Great Maul

[El_Infante]

Taking a look at the stats:
- Great Maul:
Length: 68
Speed rating: 80
Swing damage: 43b
Weight: 8

- Long Maul:
Lenght: 125
Weight: 7 ?
Speed rating: 70
Swing damage: 37 ?

- How can a 68 lenght maul have more weight than a 125 one?
- If great maul have +1 weight... how can be +10 speed fast?
- Great maul have +6 damage than long maul. 43 blunt is OP.

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That hammer have a 48 average dmg against 50 armor.

Instructions:
- Get near.
- Block one time.
- Spam overhead.
- (80speed is faster to attack without being outspammed again. If you don't think so, just try to do the same with the long maul)

My suggestion:
- Lowering damage & weight of great maul or speed. 80speed is faster for that monster.
- Long maul is balanced.
-- Modified with two new suggestion:
-- Flag great maul as unsheatable.
-- Make great maul 3 slots.

[Kalp]

My suggestion:
- Lowering damage & weight of great maul or speed. 80speed is faster for that monster.
- Long maul is balanced.

I think the same.

+1

[Magikarp]

My god, ofc a long maul has less speed, it has way more reach.

Great Mauls are only good in the hands of guys who know how to use it well. And than it's still your fault if you get overheaded, because you should just sidestep and spam em when they try that.

[Mala]

You cant just side step, because of the faulty animation. Even if they hit your toe you will die.

[Torben]

the long maul has a longer lever,  so naturaly it is a) slower and
needs to be b) lighter.

however beeing at the end of a longer lever,  the traveling speed of the hitting end is probably higher relativ to the great mauls speed,  which should make up for the weight disadvantage. 
 so if anything,  the long maul needs to be buffed,  haha.

seriously tho.  i want people that have to be gangbanged to overcome them.  like a highly skilled great maul user. 

so i say nay to a great maul nerf  : )

[Laufknoten]

Less speed for the great maul would do it. Or give the long maul atleast 75 speed, 70 is just slomo and you get outspammed by everything.   

[El_Infante]

the long maul has a longer lever,  so naturaly it is a) slower and
needs to be b) lighter.

however beeing at the end of a longer lever,  the traveling speed of the hitting end is probably higher relativ to the great mauls speed,  which should make up for the weight disadvantage. 
 so if anything,  the long maul needs to be buffed,  haha.

seriously tho.  i want people that have to be gangbanged to overcome them.  like a highly skilled great maul user. 

so i say nay to a great maul nerf  : )

So, need quarter staff  to have speed 70 because it's longer?. No. Speed rating need to be balanced with weight. Lighter weapons have to be faster than weighter ones. In crushtrough weapons 8 weight is an abuse. With 21 strenght you can crushtrough everybody. For example, with this common build: 21 str, 18 agi you have the enough strength (because 8 weight) to crush and enough agi to avoid to be outranged by backpedal or sidestep.

[Torben]

So, need quarter staff  to have speed 70 because it's longer?. No. Speed rating need to be balanced with weight. Lighter weapons have to be faster than weighter ones.

I holeheartedly disagree,  and i dont see any further need of explanation : )

In crushtrough weapons 8 weight is an abuse. With 21 strenght you can crushtrough everybody. For example, with this common build: 21 str, 18 agi you have the enough strength (because 8 weight) to crush and enough agi to avoid to be outranged by backpedal or sidestep.

again:  I want strong oponents.  why the fuck should we not want challenges in this game? 

[El_Infante]

I holeheartedly disagree,  and i dont see any further need of explanation : )
again:  I want strong oponents.  why the fuck should we not want challenges in this game?

You want strong oponents to stab them from behind with your lance. Am I Right torben? ;-)

[Torben]

: D  well i love having challenging oponents when on my horse.
but i  am on foot a lot atm aswell.  and i was a shielder for a quite some time (not a good one ^^) (it took ages for me to know hat i can block a lance by blocking down)  and what i loved most were those "heros"  roaming the fields back than.  TheFinn,  Olwen and a few select others, people that always were a highlight to kill.
  maybe thats why i dont want everything to be nerfed,  its just way more fun to kill someone who is very dangerous.  and a skilled man with a great maul is very dangerous.

[Starfucker]

Long Maul is almost twice the length of the Great Maul. If you can't figure out why this is a huge advantage, you need to play with the mauls more.

[Camaris]

If there would be a list of items which have to be balanced Great Maul wouldnt even make it in the top10.

[ThePoopy]

sideswing with eny of the mauls and u wont get outspammed, or block until enemy stabs and u get a free hit

[Digglez]

Taking a look at the stats:
- Great Maul:
Length: 68
Speed rating: 80
Swing damage: 43b
Weight: 8

- Long Maul:
Lenght: 125
Weight: 7 ?
Speed rating: 70
Swing damage: 37 ?

- How can a 68 lenght maul have more weight than a 125 one?
- If great maul have +1 weight... how can be +10 speed fast?
- Great maul have +6 damage than long maul. 43 blunt is OP.

Clearly you dont understand basis of physics involving levers and fulcrums.

the shorter something is the faster it can be swung and with less energy

[El_Infante]

Clearly you dont understand basis of physics involving levers and fulcrums.

the shorter something is the faster it can be swung and with less energy

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Get a wooden stick. You can swing it as fast as you want. Take a maul. Try to swing it. So, what is the difficult for swinging? Reach or weight? The more length the more speed on it opposite edge. Please, if you post something, at least contribute to the post.