1h shield is too difficult at the moment

[rustyspoon]

To play as 1h shield is no fun, even lamhban complained about it all the time in the recorded battle union against pillagers.
The guy, who test it, has ping 10 and test it on level 20 players on siege server with ping 80.


Problem:

1. 1h is a bit too slow with shield and without (no reason to use 1h pure)
2. At same time 1h swords lack damage power (1h - 30 dmg while 2h - 40 dmg = 4 ps difference)
3. Heavy weight of shields slow you down so much that shielders get very often outmaneuvered.
4. Width of shields is too small thats why shielders get hit through the side of the shield (the model seems to be bigger)
5. Slow game speed allow to block forever while shields have low hp and thats why are easy to break
6. Shields cost too much thats why in strategus people use level 1-3 shields only

I main 1h & shield and find threads like this annoying. 1h & shield is NOT difficult. Sure it takes longer to kill someone, but they are great at defense. If you're a good 1-hander, it's pretty easy to top the charts.

Now, let's look at these claims:

1. Shields DO NOT affect swing speed. 1 handers are overall the fastest weapons in the game. Carrying a shield does NOT slow down your attacks.
2. 1 handers should do less damage than 2 handers. It's called "balance". They can't be great at everything.
3. You only notice the slowdown from shields if you're holding your block button down. PROTIP: Don't turtle. It's a slow, boring way to get killed.
4. Change your facing. It annoys me when people who are using autoblock think that it should automatically give them 180 degree protection.
5. Sounds like you're turtling and using a terrible shield. Don't turtle and buy a better shield.
6. Shields don't cost too much. The Knightly Heater which is a FANTASTIC shield only costs around 4k.

I hate to say it, but if you're having trouble with 1h & shield you just need more practice. 1h & shield is incredibly viable. Stop turtling, be more aggressive, learn to manual block and buy a decent shield. You'll do fine.

[Xant]

Yes, it takes longer to kill as 1hander, of course. As Rusty says, it also takes longer to kill YOU when you use a shield. Fact is, I can kill most people without shield in a couple of seconds. But with a shield, even the worst player in Warband can stay alive a minute if they just keep their shield up.

[Konrax]

If you facehug a shielder you can also get inside the block radius of the shield and get a free hit.

Happens to kill me quite often since I use a 65 length warhammer and need to facehug.

Any chance to get the shield brought tighter to the body at least for the hitbox?

[Mala]

I main 1h & shield and find threads like this annoying. 1h & shield is NOT difficult. Sure it takes longer to kill someone, but they are great at defense. If you're a good 1-hander, it's pretty easy to top the charts.

Now, let's look at these claims:

1. Shields DO NOT affect swing speed. 1 handers are overall the fastest weapons in the game. Carrying a shield does NOT slow down your attacks.

It does. Try to swing from a block with and  without a shield. There is a difference.

2. 1 handers should do less damage than 2 handers. It's called "balance". They can't be great at everything.

I am fine with a damage difference but not with the amount of it. Especially since all damage bonuses work on a percentage basis.

3. You only notice the slowdown from shields if you're holding your block button down. PROTIP: Don't turtle. It's a slow, boring way to get killed.

So why take a shiel when your protip is "don´t block"?

4. Change your facing. It annoys me when people who are using autoblock think that it should automatically give them 180 degree protection.

It annoys me if wide swings go through my shield, solely because the enemy was somewhere at my left or right side.

6. Shields don't cost too much. The Knightly Heater which is a FANTASTIC shield only costs around 4k.

But it looks like crap.

I hate to say it, but if you're having trouble with 1h & shield you just need more practice. 1h & shield is incredibly viable. Stop turtling, be more aggressive, learn to manual block and buy a decent shield. You'll do fine.
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[Vibe]

To play as 1h shield is no fun, even lamhban complained about it all the time in the recorded battle union against pillagers.
The guy, who test it, has ping 10 and test it on level 20 players on siege server with ping 80.


Problem:

1. 1h is a bit too slow with shield and without (no reason to use 1h pure)
2. At same time 1h swords lack damage power (1h - 30 dmg while 2h - 40 dmg = 4 ps difference)
3. Heavy weight of shields slow you down so much that shielders get very often outmaneuvered.
4. Width of shields is too small thats why shielders get hit through the side of the shield (the model seems to be bigger)
5. Slow game speed allow to block forever while shields have low hp and thats why are easy to break
6. Shields cost too much thats why in strategus people use level 1-3 shields only


Solution:

+1 speed for 1h swords
+2 dmg for 1h swords
- 2 dmg for 1h maces and picks
+2 width for shields
+2 speed for shield
- 2 weight of shield


Optional:

No block ability and no overheads for weapons over 2m
- 2 dmg for bec
-20 Accuracy for crossbows
- 2 dmg for 2h
- 2 dmg for 2h mace
Bastard and heavy bastard sword 1 slot
Some sort of horse nerf like damage after each bump.

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[Diomedes]

At the moment even a very good shielder needs his team to back him up so that he can get some kills.

I went 12-0 on a map today after spawning in late and having most of my team die in front of me.  If I weren't a 1h+shielder I would have been shot down by bowmen, out-attacked by multiple opponents, and out-struck by 2handers.  With my shield and sword I could approach bowmen, block multiple directions at once, and use my super-quick 1h sword to headshot cocky enemies.


See: ManofWar for a more consistent and thorough refutation of your post

[Karmazyn]

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Dusturil

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Dusturil

???

[Gurnisson]

Solution:

+1 speed for 1h swords
+2 dmg for 1h swords
- 2 dmg for 1h maces and picks
+2 width for shields
+2 speed for shield
- 2 weight of shield


Optional:

No block ability and no overheads for weapons over 2m
- 2 dmg for bec
-20 Accuracy for crossbows
- 2 dmg for 2h
- 2 dmg for 2h mace
Bastard and heavy bastard sword 1 slot
Some sort of horse nerf like damage after each bump.

 

[Karmazyn]

Your deep argumentation let me guess that stupid can get admin rights in this mod 

[Vibe]

Your deep argumentation let me guess that stupid can get admin rights in this mod 

Your post doesn't deserve to be argumented, only laughed at.

[Karmazyn]

Your post doesn't deserve to be argumented, only laughed at.

First learn to play/game mechanics

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(you suck@dusturil)

Then think what you want to say
Then post it. If you have nothing to say then dont post, this is not your thread, go away stop spam.

[Vibe]

First learn to play/game mechanics

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(you suck@dusturil)

Then think what you want to say
Then post it. If you have nothing to say then dont post, this is not your thread, go away stop spam.

I have learned to play the game and it's game mechanics
I have never been in battle of Dusturil, but nice generalization there!
I though about your post for a second but then I just laughed
And thus, I have posted an evidence of me laughing.

Now my turn:

Learn to play 1h/shield
Stop complaining

[Gurnisson]

Blatant lobbying, that's why I'm laughing. You have one point which I can agree with, and that's no blocking or overheads on the two pikes.

[Karmazyn]

To play as 1h shield is no fun, even lamhban complained about it all the time in the recorded battle union against pillagers.
The guy, who test it, has ping 10 and test it on level 20 players on siege server with ping 80.


Problem:

1. 1h is a bit too slow with shield and without (no reason to use 1h pure)
2. At same time 1h swords lack damage power (1h - 30 dmg while 2h - 40 dmg = 4 ps difference)
3. Heavy weight of shields slow you down so much that shielders get very often outmaneuvered.
4. Width of shields is too small thats why shielders get hit through the side of the shield (the model seems to be bigger)
5. Slow game speed allow to block forever while shields have low hp and thats why are easy to break
6. Shields cost too much thats why in strategus people use level 1-3 shields only


Solution:

+1 speed for 1h swords
+2 dmg for 1h swords
- 2 dmg for 1h maces and picks
+2 width for shields
+2 speed for shield
- 2 weight of shield


Optional:

No block ability and no overheads for weapons over 2m
- 2 dmg for bec
-20 Accuracy for crossbows
- 2 dmg for 2h
- 2 dmg for 2h mace
Bastard and heavy bastard sword 1 slot
Some sort of horse nerf like damage after each bump.

Here is the video of Lamhban
23:55 and other moments
http://en.twitch.tv/calradia2/b/291540665

And very nice that such known shielder like Mala agree too.
I think that Varyag would agree too since he try to switch to crossbow