Perhaps were looking at shields the wrong way?

[_JoG_]

the problem.

Suppose I use a held attack against a shielder.

1. If they hold block, they cant swing back, so I can attack again once they release.
2. If they mistime a tap block then my held attack will pass through.
3. If they are good enough to time tap blocks against my held attacks then why don't they just tap attack instead and get a riposte? Why even have a shield at all?

My thoughts exactly.

[Panoply]

Sounds like the same effect could be achieved by changing chamberblock animations to one where you block the attack with your shield while attacking with your weapon. If so, then this is just cosmetics?

[Spa_geh_tea]

I would agree with that statement, however with my extensive shield use...........(very extensive) I have found that I can simply click the rmb just before the enemy strikes(taking into account the raising shield delay) and it will block. I do not know why, but for some reason this is very easy to pull off compared to chambers. Try it yourselves and repost your findings.

[rustyspoon]

I would agree with that statement, however with my extensive shield use...........(very extensive) I have found that I can simply click the rmb just before the enemy strikes(taking into account the raising shield delay) and it will block. I do not know why, but for some reason this is very easy to pull off compared to chambers. Try it yourselves and repost your findings.

That is due to shield speed. Fast shields (100 speed) block before the shield is even raised, so you can tap blocks with them. Slow shields (like the steel shield) block AFTER the shield is fully raised. The shield animation has nothing to do with whether it is blocking or not.

[Spa_geh_tea]

^ So, you agree that it would be easier to tap block instead of chamber?

[rustyspoon]

^ So, you agree that it would be easier to tap block instead of chamber?

Oh, it is WAY the hell easier to tap block instead of chamber. Fortunately, the masses will probably never catch on to that fact. 

[Spa_geh_tea]

So, then it is a good idea to allow shielders this tap block. And it is not the same as chambering, but in fact easier.

[rustyspoon]

So, then it is a good idea to allow shielders this tap block. And it is not the same as chambering, but in fact easier.

Therein lies the problem. Your idea above would make it too good.

[Spa_geh_tea]

Therein lies the problem. Your idea above would make it too good.

But it comes with the price of not being able to block every direction, and to have to pick the correct direction.....ie, screwed when the enemy feints. I made two suggestions for the bonus, either a mini stun on the enemy, or the speed penalty of a 1h with a shield is reduced in general.

[cmp]

Hate to break it to you, but shield mechanics are impossible to change.

[Digglez]

Hate to break it to you, but shield mechanics are impossible to change.

That is why you fail

[Cyclopsided]

That is why you fail

I don't always make personal insults, but when I do, they are when it isn't their fault.

[Seawied]

I don't always make personal insults, but when I do, they are when it isn't their fault.

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[Digglez]

Quoting Yoda isnt a personal insult, more like advice.  If you say something is impossible you've already been defeated.