Why do we even need upkeep anymore?

[TugBoat]

Banner balance is usually unfair except when the Hoplites get balanced to one team 

Ouch

[Corsair831]

I've been thinking about this a lot. Now that Strategus is out, why do we need upkeep?

Why can't Strategus be for the serious playing and plain old CRPG be just for fun again?

With these last few patches the game has become less and less fun. You have to worry about upkeep so you can't use your cool stuff all the time. The xp bonus has been nerfed to shit, so it takes forever to level. Those are the kinds of things that help make the game fun, but now it's just a painful grind.

Also with our current system, you are punished for losing instead of rewarded for playing. Every time you lose, you will probably lose a chunk of money. Not to mention that you'll be leveling at a fraction of the level of the speed you would be at if you won. It's kind of an unfair system that puts you at the mercy of autobalance. Especially since banner balance puts most of a clan on one team. I know when there's a lot of us on (ATS) we can roll a server for hours. I know other clans do the same exact thing. I just feel that the old system of money and xp for kills was overall more rewarding and more fun. With that system, just by playing you got rewarded. Even if you lost you still made a good amount of money and xp.

Now back to upkeep. Some people say that we need it so there aren't as many tincans and horses. Honestly, who gives a shit? Too many tincans? Bring a pierce or blunt weapon. Too many horses, get some awareness and a big, pointy stick. Plate isn't that great anymore anyway, especially with the dramatically reduced chance of glancing. Also, it would stop the devs from using upkeep as a lazy way to balance certain items. (*cough*XBOWS*cough*)

If we gained xp fast again, it would make leveling more enjoyable AND it would make it easier to make alts/play different builds, etc. Some people though will complain that people will get too many heirlooms this way. Again, who gives a shit? If Goretooth had 10,000 heirlooms it doesn't make the game less fun for me. It's not like someone having more heirlooms than me makes mine worse. You can only have so many heirlooms anyway, so what's the difference?

All-in-all, I think this game has lost a lot of the fun factor over the patches and I'd like to see it return. We have Strategus for the super-serious stuff anyway.

tl;dr Since Strategus is back, we have that for serious play. Let's remove upkeep and give back the xp bonus to make the regular game more fun again.

armour is overpowered, upkeep is the only nerf to it

[Zanze]

By removing upkeep you basically give everyone the green light to wear full milanese plate all day and use only the high end weapons.

Remind me again how this benefits new players?

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

I do like the upkeep, stops people from using plate/Cav all the time.
Through making so wpf is more effect by the heavy armors would help a lot ;)

Oh, poor naive Muki.

I ask you 1 question. What stops a Frank from playing in full plate 24/7. Style and style only.

I went for 45min with out getting hit for upkeep on my cata or Gothic plate, I got super lucky but I still dodged the golden bullet.

[Muki]

You were in Kutt and you think upkeep stops people from using whatever they want?  Again, it only fucks over new players and people without enough free time.

Not to hate, but i never'd used plate while in kutt :/

By removing upkeep you basically give everyone the green light to wear full milanese plate all day and use only the high end weapons.

Remind me again how this benefits new players?

^  Zan does have a good point

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

By removing upkeep you basically give everyone the green light to wear full milanese plate all day and use only the high end weapons.

Remind me again how this benefits new players?

Hey aren't you people Americans?

Have you never heard of trickle down?

Me in full plate scaring the peasants for life as I one shot them with a horse bump is inspirational. With out people like me in the... 85%??? I don't know, what ever. They would have no reason to ever doing anything but roll around in the mud, they just don't have the culture needed to grow by themselves, they need to be inspired and get trickled on.

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I had my new favorite moment in c-rpg the other day. I ran around a corner in full plate and there was a peasant with a long spear, I just ran at him with out blocking and his pock wiffed off the armour, I kept running he poked again and it wiffed so he threw the long spear on the ground and ran for it. Funniest moment ever.

[Sarpton]

Me in full plate scaring the peasants for life as I one shot them with a horse bump is inspirational. With out people like me in the... 85%??? I don't know, what ever. They would have no reason to ever doing anything but roll around in the mud, they just don't have the culture needed to grow by themselves, they need to be inspired and get trickled on.

found my new sig!  Thanks Frank!

[Bobthehero]

armour is overpowered, upkeep is the only nerf to it

Ah ah, fucking what?

[Bonze]

VERY UNFRIENDLY FOR NEW PERSONS

no new news ...since release ..

[TheAppleSauceMan]

By removing upkeep you basically give everyone the green light to wear full milanese plate all day and use only the high end weapons.

Remind me again how this benefits new players?

The thing is, upkeep hurts new players the most. All these veterans have enough cash to wear whatever the fuck they want whenever they want to for unending periods. And soon they'll just sell another loom point, they have no need to worry about repairs. Where new players are stuck with shit gear trying to just get through their first gen or two without quitting. At least without upkeep the playing field is evened and anyone can be a plate baddy.

[Xeen]

How you two can't comprehend why upkeep is bad for new players is so beyond me that I'm never reading or posting in this thread again.  AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[Muki]

Me in full plate scaring the peasants for life as I one shot them with a horse bump is inspirational. With out people like me in the... 85%??? I don't know, what ever. They would have no reason to ever doing anything but roll around in the mud, they just don't have the culture needed to grow by themselves, they need to be inspired and get trickled on.

Well Frank, it's time the new players try harder

"IF AT FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED, TRY, TRY AGAIN. Don't give up too easily; persistence pays off in the end. - From "Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings" by Gregory Y. Titelman (Random House, New York, 1996, Page 154)

[Son Of Odin]

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You do know all the upkeep gold goes to chadz, don't you?

[Muki]

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You do know all the upkeep gold goes to chadz, don't you?

Hey he needs that gold for his flying carpet army ;)

[Son Of Odin]

Hey he needs that gold for his flying carpet army ;)

Yeah those carpets and staffs must cost a fortune to buy. Not to speak the upkeep costs :F.