New slot mechanic

[Patricia]

I find that you give too much credits to pubbies, do you seriously think they'll all gang up the plate wearer? Nah, they'll all gang up the little peasant to get more and easy kills.

Also, depending on how the devs balance this shit if they ever implement it, I don't think it would screw cavs unless you went plated charged in black armor.

Honestly, I say the devs are more likely to screw cavalry several times over more than my suggestion.

[Gnjus]

Also, depending on how the devs balance this shit if they ever implement it, I don't think it would screw cavs unless you went plated charged in black armor.

Honestly, I say the devs are more likely to screw cavalry several times over more than my suggestion.

 

Patricia....are you by any chance a female in real life ? Or you're just role-playing ? 

[Chaos]

I find that you give too much credits to pubbies, do you seriously think they'll all gang up the plate wearer? Nah, they'll all gang up the little peasant to get more and easy kills.

Also, depending on how the devs balance this shit if they ever implement it, I don't think it would screw cavs unless you went plated charged in black armor.

Honestly, I say the devs are more likely to screw cavalry several times over more than my suggestion.

Not if they want a multiplier, which I find many pub players (maybe its because theyre the better ones) generally do. I know that if I see a shiny back in front of me, I run up to it and go crazy instead of running off and screwing over the scythe swinging peasant.

[Patricia]

 

Patricia....are you by any chance a female in real life ? Or you're just role-playing ? 

You hittin' on me, dawg?!

[Digglez]

Not to mention that xbows and longbows, agi characters using high damage pierce weapons, and cavalry can destroy the black plate turtles with such relative ease that most people find plate in general not worth using, except for lulz. Oh, and all of the above counters are rather common nowadays, just fyi. And if for some reason those arent present, teamwork beats plate wearers as the slow bastards are the easiest thing to spot, encircle, and flank. Best of all, the big shiny armor is a great visual cue for pubs to realize that they need to focus their melee attacks on the tin can

more often than not, this isnt the case.  tincans rape.  the team with the most nearly always wins.  loljumpslashing cav and all it takes it 1 hit on an agiwhore to decapitate his ass. 

[Kafein]

Everyone is running around with enough money to buy masterworked weapons @ 1,3 million gold  FALSE, do you Really think upkeep is a problem anymore?

And why, yes I want them to disappear completely.

The WPF penalty is also not enough to make any sort of difference. FALSE

Please stop the BS... Heavy armors slow you down like fuck, both in movement and swing speed. It's literally safer to take a lighter armor when you have to face ranged spam (dodging). Furthermore, have you ever looked at the market ? Yes ? Look closer. Only a few archers have that much money, and the market only shows unsuccessfull, trololo overpriced offers (you never played any game with an auction hall ?). Most of the deals that really happen usually have one heirloom point equivalent to less than 275k gold.

And for the middle part, it's your opinion. Everyone I read here agrees the mod is better with more diversity.


About your build, it's actually better for you to wear light or medium armors. Heavy armors are only (barely though) useful to spam builds like 15/24 or 16/24 (16 for plate and various high tier weps and helms).

[Chaos]

more often than not, this isnt the case.  tincans rape.  the team with the most nearly always wins.  loljumpslashing cav and all it takes it 1 hit on an agiwhore to decapitate his ass.

Are you EU? Because the only time I've seen consistent tin can rape is when Occitan shows up in bulk, and I usually attribute that more to teamplay. When pubs wear plate, I usually see them wander around more or less alone, making them easy to target and avoid, lance, or gang up on. And no self respecting cav player lets himself get loljumpslashed by a tin can.

[zagibu]

I suggest you buy plate armor and demonstrate how OP it is, maybe your claims have a bit more weight then. Don't you think there is a reason why tincans have become a rare sight?

[Gnjus]

You hittin' on me, dawg?!

Only if you're EU. 

[Patricia]

I'm afraid that I'm an americunt french canadian.

[Patricia]

Please stop the BS... Heavy armors slow you down like fuck, both in movement and swing speed. It's literally safer to take a lighter armor when you have to face ranged spam (dodging). Furthermore, have you ever looked at the market ? Yes ? Look closer. Only a few archers have that much money, and the market only shows unsuccessfull, trololo overpriced offers (you never played any game with an auction hall ?). Most of the deals that really happen usually have one heirloom point equivalent to less than 275k gold.

And for the middle part, it's your opinion. Everyone I read here agrees the mod is better with more diversity.


About your build, it's actually better for you to wear light or medium armors. Heavy armors are only (barely though) useful to spam builds like 15/24 or 16/24 (16 for plate and various high tier weps and helms).

I use heavy armor in my strength build, and I'm still fast enough both in movement or attack speed to kill anyone and depending on the kind of plate I use, the additional weight wouldn't be nearly enough to impair my abilities to run and kill shit.

[Diomedes]

I've not read anything in this thread that properly argues for a radically new slot system.  There've been sporadic attempts at parts of a real argument but no proper arguments so far.  Here's a template to follow in the future:

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(1)
- "I've noticed recently on the duel server..."
- "I don't think it's realistic..."
- "Some players in chat have been commenting..."

All of these are anecdotal examples.  Other examples may be concrete statistical data provided by server admins or even historical documents.  Whatever the case, the preface creates an avenue on which your audience can start following your thought process. 

(2)
- "...that AGI builds always defeat strength builds..."
- "...that armoured strength builds run as fast as AGI builds..."
- "...that there's been admin abuse on the Siege server..."

The observation is important because it's the evidential base of the whole thread.  If this information is wrong then oftentimes the thread falls ten pages back in two days.  If it's unclear then the page can last for weeks, surviving on the interpretive discrepancies which prompt polemic people to argue for so long. 

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- "...so I think we should change the balance of weight to athletics in player running speed."
- "...so I think we should have democratically elected admins."

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