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Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2013, 12:34:30 am »
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Conan movies are probably responsible for atleast 50% of 2h heroes we have in crpg

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Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2014, 04:14:45 pm »
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Ciao, mia sorellas!

Because you guys are all lazy, I decided to write another one, this time about Red Sonja, a.k.a. I wish this was Conan 3.

Red Sonja (1985) - Movie Review by Khorin (includes spoilers)



Plot:
This movie tells the story of Red Sonja(Brigitte Nielsen). In the opening scene Red Sonja is visited by a spirit that gives her the power to defeat the evil Queen Gedren(Sandahl Bergman) who killed Red Sonja's family and was also raped by the queen's soldiers. So far so good on the barbarian hero cliché. Family of the protagonist is killed and now she's out for revenge.

After this the opening credits start to roll showing a man called Kalidor(Arnold Schwarzenegger) riding over open steppes to the music that you should already be listening to, already you get the distinct feeling that he is Conan.

The plot revolves around a magical object called the Talisman that has immense magical powers, and in the first few scenes Queen Gedren steals it from a temple and kills Sonja's only living family member, her sister. Kalidor who was riding toward the temple to witness the destruction of the Talisman instead finds Sonja's sister dying. Kalidor promises to find Sonja and bring her to her sister. She is found in an "asian" martial arts school practicing sword fighting and here we learn of her inherent dislike of men. Sonja promises to destroy the Talisman and avenge her sister, but refuses Kalidor's assistance on her mission and rides off on her own. Without her knowing, Kalidor follows her.

In the next part we are introduced to two people in a ruined city. These two people are Prince Tarn(Ernie Reyes Jr.), who is around 7 years old, and Falkon(Paul L. Smith), his manservant. The city was under Tarn's rule before Queen Gedren passed by with the Talisman and destroyed it. These tell Red Sonja that Gedren's kingdom of eternal night lies beyond a toll gate controlled by a man called Brytag.

When she reaches the toll gate, Brytag(Pat Roach) refuses passage, so she kills him and just when Sonja is about to be overrun by Brytag's soldiers Kalidor shows up and saves the day. They open the gate and Sonja rides off alone while Kalidor stays to kill all the soldiers. In the next scene by some magic we meet Tarn and Falkon again who have been kidnapped by bandits. Red Sonja saves the pair and they decide to go and kill Gedren together.

Gedren who can see their approach from far away using a magical mirror sends a storm at them which drives them into a cave. In the cave they are attacked by a mechanical snake monster, and just in the right moment Kalidor shows up again and together with Red Sonja kills the monster. By now Red Sonja is starting to warm up to Con... I mean Kalidor, and she tells him that he will only have sex with a man strong enough to beat her in combat. So they fight until both are too tired and continue their journey toward the evil castle.

Once there they climb up the walls of the castle. Kalidor goes first and helps Red Sonja climb and then they enter the compound through some tunnel that's on the top. Right when they get out of the tunnel, Red Sonja is almost killed, but luckily Kalidor comes out of the tunnel in the right moment to kill the bad guy. After this, they all fight a bunch of badguys and kill Gedren and destroy the Talisman which causes the castle to start to collapse.

During the escape Conan uses his muscles three times to create an opening through which they can escape. The entire movie ends with Red Sonja and Kalidor kissing.

Visuals:

On the costume department everything looks pretty good. Classic 80s barbarian movie style, but they don't look cheap. Just an aesthetic one has to get used to. The fighting is also serviceable, though mainly relies on Arnold being Arnold.
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The sets are also good enough, apart from the final sets inside the castle. The lighting seems way off, you only see torches and you'd expect a slightly glomy castle, but it's all too bright inside. The lights look like they're lit up by spotlights.

The snake monster looks alright at first, until you realize it's made of metal and the scene drags on way too long allowing you to see all its faults. Gedren's pet spider looks ridiculous. You can see it hanging from the ceiling.

Audio:

There's not much to say in the audio department. The above video in the first half plays the opening title music which is classic old-school adventure style music. The rest of it, is extremely forgettable. A lot of the scenes also lacked music. The entirely too long snake monster scene lacked any music at all. This is probably due to the entire soundtrack being only 30 minutes long, while Conan's was double that.

Soundtrack:
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Acting:

Okay, so this is the worst part of the movie. It's terrible all over, but I'll only mention the 5 main characters.

Falkon and Prince Tarn are introduced as a comedic relief to the movie and it's executed horribly. Frankly, the movie would be made infinately better if the kid that plays Tarn would be removed. His performance of a young arrogant prince is awful awful awful.

Queen Gedren, i.e. Sandahl Bergman, who also played Valeria in Conan the Barbarian unfortunately does not play the evil queen part that well. At worst it regresses to a parody of an evil queen.

Red Sonja never convinces the viewer that she's this super badass fighter she's supposed to be, and just seems outshined by Arnold constantly. Nothing she says is believable. In fact, it's so bad that now that I watch the wikipedia page, she actually won a Razzie for Worst New Star and was nominated for Worst Actor.

Arnold plays Conan and does so alright. Not as convincing as Conan the Barbarian, but that is primarily due to the dialogue. All in all, the acting in this movie is lacking.

Dialogue:

It's bad, alright. And delivered worse for the most part.

Here's some examples:
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Personal Opinion:

This movie is really strange. It has everything needed for a Conan movie, but it insists on having Red Sonja as the main character even though she's constantly outperformed by Kalidor. There are two situations in the movie where Red Sonja saves the day. When she rescues the two kidnapped idiots and when she kills Gedren. There are five situations where Kalidor saves Red Sonja. It's like they wanted to make a Conan movie, but couldn't, so they made a movie about a strong woman instead without removing Conan. I feel a bit sorry for how Red Sonja is treated.

If you need any more convincing of this, just look at the cover:
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That said, it's an 80s campy barbarian movie, and I have to say, they're kinda my weak spot. It's bad, yes, but it's funny bad in some ways and bad bad in other ways. However, if you've already seen all the Conan's, unfortunately, Red Sonja is the best you'll find. Along with the new Conan remake that's being made there's been quite a bit of murmuring about a new Red Sonja movie being made. It was initially cancelled, but now it seems to have resurfaced. So maybe in the future we'll get to see some of this.  :oops:

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Thanks for reading gentlemen. Maybe in a few months I'll write another barbarian movie review. There's so many to choose from. I've seen Seven Gladiators, Hundra, Amazons, all Ator movies and all Deathstalker's and seeing how these movies are difficult to get a hold of, I might do one of these. But if I watch something new, I'll probably do a write up of that.

Don't expect anything good though, they only go downhill from here. I've seen things.... And I haven't even seen the bottom.

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Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2014, 06:18:34 pm »
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i love your post Ninja_khorin ,  it's a very good idea  :D
 Watched these movie probably more then 20 time.. i listen all of conan the barbarian and kalidor song  thats why my name  and conan the barbarian was taken already..
Thx again for that wondefull rewiew of some of my favorites movies and see you on the hell of Crpg ** :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2014, 12:40:35 pm »
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I'm glad you liked it.

In case you didn't know, there's a new Conan movie featuring Arnold in the works. This is literally my most asked for movie ever and I hope to Crom they do it right, and they do seem to be in the right track.

These are quotes from the producer:
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I don't want to give away plot, but Conan's Conan to me. Look, for my money, I don't think that the right way. I'm not interested in passing on the torch. It's Conan! It's Arnold Schwarzenegger. We're bringing him back for a reason. When I say Unforgiven, I mean it's a guy who has to come back, and I want him to play his age. I want him to be looking at the later years of his life and have to contemplate this horrific threat. Sitting down and walking through the story with [Schwarzenegger], he's amazing. It's one of the projects that I am incredibly excited about, because I know when you hear Conan and you hear certain things, like the instinct is "There was just a Conan movie and we know those Conan things" -- this is different, I'm telling you. I wouldn't do it if it wasn't perfectly fitting and built off that first movie and if it wasn't awesome, and it's awesome. It's a great character journey. People think it's just going to swords and hacking and effects. It is not. It is a character story. It's awesome.

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Look, I think Jason is a really good actor. I love him, especially in Game of Thrones -- holy s***, he's great! But it is what it is. That's the version they set out and did. The version that I am really interested in, the one that I went to Arnold with, and went to the studio with is, it's a different version, and it really is a take on...Conan the Barbarian, people can say what they want about it, I think it's actually a brilliant movie. I think the lack of dialogue in it...I think [John] Milius did such a good job with it, such a good job. There's a lesson about what it is to be a man and a warrior and "What is civilization in barbarism?" and "What do you believe in?" and lessons of life. I think there's so much in that movie that we are now going to be able to jump ahead and build on that foundation that they built, those types of lessons. I think it's going to be something really special and iconic and different than people expect.

That's exactly the story what I want, a movie about Conan. An old Conan doing his last epic act of heroism.

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Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2014, 09:13:52 pm »
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Hah! Going to put up another review here about a movie no one cares about. I did say that if I watch another shitty barbarian movie I'd post a new one. So here you go.

I changed the formula a bit, because honestly, there's not much to say about this movie. Anyway, here we go:

Barbarian Queen (1985) - Movie Review by Khorin (includes spoilers)

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Story:

Alright...

So the story starts, as is mandated by the genre (apparently), in an idyllic barbarian village, this time set in a tropical setting. The village is attacked by bad guys and the inhabitants are killed and/or sold to slavery. You know the bad guys are bad because they are dressed in black. The protagonist and titular character of this movie is one of the survivors of the attack called Amethea. The village was attacked on Amethea’s wedding day, and his husband was kidnapped and sold to slavery to become a gladiator in the evil king’s arena. So the motivation for the protagonist is to save her husband and get revenge for her village. She has some other female friends, but honestly I didn’t care much about them. I had to google Amethea’s name just to remember it. Basically they’re a band of 3-5 women on an adventure.

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So after a few bumps in the road and getting smuggled in to the city ruled by the evil by a kid who is the son of the rebel leader (this is the first time the rebellion is mentioned, so if it seems sudden, that’s because it is) they finally find the husband and discover that he is still alive with a few other villagers fighting in the gladiator pits. While scouting in the city one girl in the band of heroes goes crazy (or something?) and hand herself over to the enemy which leads to all of them being caught. Some of them are sent to the gladiators as prostitutes while Amethea herself is sent to the torture chambers. Eventually the rebels, the girls and the gladiators manage to rebel at the same time and kill the evil king and the protagonist and her husband are reunited. The moment the king dies the fight is over and the entire city cheers and the screen freezes and credits start rolling.
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I feel that the scene where Amethea escapes the torture chamber deserves special mention. Now so far I have ignored the countless rape/rape attempt scenes and flashing of boobs at any opportunity. This wasn’t particularly shocking to me since most low-budget barbarian movies are like this. They stand somewhere between soft-core porn and just a really bad movie. Usually they show boobs as much as they can get away with, but rarely much more than that. Close up, anyway.

So Amethea’s torturer is a pervert, and he figures that he is going to rape Amethea while she is tied to a torture rack. Amethea manages to free herself by grasping the tortures penis (this is off-camera) with such a death grip that he is forced to free her. This is was funny, but here’s the curve ball. Her hands and legs were all tied up and spread, so there was no way for her to use either of them to do this feat. Yes, the vagina death grip is real. I had to rewind to actually see if I understood the scene correctly, because only the upper parts of the bodies are shown, but yes, she squeezes his penis with her vagina and then he shouts : “Wait. Wait! Stop squeezing! Too tight!!”. I turned from rolling my eyes about another rape scene to choking on my drink at the ridiculous scene. Another thing to point out is that, and maybe it’s only my inner racist, but the torturer looks like a stereotype of a Jew. Make of that what you will.

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Thoughts:

The sets are very bog standard, but not necessarily bad. The city was actually fairly good looking, with lots of extras and clay houses. The costumes are average in the genre, which means that they are actually pretty bad, but not terribly so. Just uninspired, mostly. While Conan had sometimes ridiculously stylized and overly detailed costumes of badassery, these are mainly just various cloths and leathers. Obviously the clothing on especially the women is extremely limited. The exception to generic clothing is in the beginning in their tropical village where they put in some effort.

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The acting is painful(ly funny), apart from the protagonist who at least puts a small effort in to it. Not much, a tiny bit.  The most amusing performances come from the pimp who acts like a caricature of a homosexual and the torturer who is a basement perv. The pimp especially has the daintiest voice and just goes with it. The fighting choreography was also not remarkable, but not horrible either. The girls managed to put some weight behind their swings. There are some pretty cool shots too that work pretty well.

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The music ranges from boring 80s action music that could fit any of action movie of the era to an okayish theme that has some feeling of adventure behind, but none of the epicness.

So what do I think of the movie? It’s horrible trash that doesn’t have a single original thought. It’s what I expected going in, and it’s what I got. But I’m a bit of an oddity in that I appreciate the level of awful these movies achieve so I was thoroughly entertained. The only distasteful part is the abundance of rape scenes, or perhaps mostly the rape humor. I appreciate boobs as much as the next guy, and having a rape scene to provoke an emotional response is fine, I guess, but when it’s there simply to arouse the viewer, it feels a bit wrong. But these barbarian worlds are brutal and archaic, so they’re not completely out of place, I guess. That said I did appreciate the torture scene for its ridiculousness.

Here’s some examples of the quality of dialogue in this movie:
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Should you watch it, though? If you can’t appreciate the camp feeling of Conan, you definitely shouldn’t see this. While Conan was fantastic, this is a cheap ripoff (not the cheapest, I might review those later). However, it’s not the worst barbarian movie I’ve seen. You would have to try to find worse, though.

Stay tuned for a review of the "sequel", or something else depending on what I feel like.

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Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2014, 11:14:33 pm »
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Alright, here is a few sci-fi movies i've seen recently -

Cargo - starts out with decent'ish visuals and special effects, looks as if it could be either an Alien-like movie or something, with the main heroine enlisting as a medical officer aboard some cargo spaceship...
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..and then realises it's a german or swiss or whatever movie and rapidly goes downhill. Like, really rapidly. About 50% in the plot no longer makes any sense, character interactions are max cringe-worthy and then it even ends in the best (or, rather, worst) traditions of german soup operas. Ugh.

Screamers - like above, starts out fine. Here we follow the main hero, commander of a small base of side A soldiers on a post-apocalyptic world, as he is trying to make sense of wtf is goin on lol, and maybe contact and make peace with side B. Actually lasts more or less fine to around 80%... and then the plot and any sense just goes flying out the window. Unlike above, you don't even get decent visuals, just a lot of cheap props and terrible CGI. Meh.

Upstream Color - if you mind abstract, stay away, because this turns it to 11. Main heroine comes under the influence of a will-controlling parasite, injected into her by a thief and loses everything she had. She then comes together with someone she may have something in common with, as she tries to make sense of her new life. Lots of questions, quite a pleasing experience.

Europa Report - here we follow the manned mission to gather samples and stuff from Europa, the Jupiter moon, in an effort to see, if it has any life on it. It's all set in the very near future and most everything seems very plausible, the visuals are great too and the plot is just crazy intense. The ending could've been better, but it's okay, at least it ain't Cargo. If you liked such movies as The Moon and Sunshine, you will probably like this as well. 8/10

Franklyn - one of those movies, where you follow the seemingly unrelated stories of a bunch of people, except this one is really quite nice. When will you see the explanation behind one of them? Also, it's a British movie, i love well done European films :)

The Signal (2014) - I swear, the issue with most sci-fi movies is that they can't come up with a sensible ending. This one starts out and, for about 90% of the movie, plays out almost like something from SCP. And it's got Laurence Fishburne. That's great, right? And then just the most abrupt and lame ending. Disappointing.

Contact - A bit dull at times and hardly sci-fi most of it, but is mostly okay. Can't really say much else.

Another Earth - Somewhat tear-wrenching and the sci-fi elements is just what starts the otherwise not really sci-fi plot. Also, the ending. I did watch the entire thing and needed to go all naked+2h on EU1 to feel more manly afterwards or someshit. Don't watch it for sci-fi.

Fortress - Cheap and mindless action-flick in some sort of dystopian super-prison. Entertaining, i guess.

Extracted, Perfect Sense - Both are pretty good, but i'm too lazy to write anything.

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Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2014, 10:47:22 am »
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That's a nice list of movies I've never heard of. Europa Report sounds pretty cool, might watch it actually.

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Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2015, 06:34:43 am »
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Lol this movie was so goofy, it was like National Lampoon decided to make a martial arts flick.
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Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2015, 09:15:02 pm »
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Argo: Real story of the US embassy in Iran hostage situation and ex-filtration in 79'. Ridiculously good writing in there. Some lines in particular are strokes of genius. Strongly recommend watching in English.

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Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2015, 10:22:13 am »
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Argo fuck yourself.

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Re: 'Review a movie' - thread
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2015, 09:32:22 pm »
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This is the best Taken so far.
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