Input on a 33 and beyond build.

[CrazyCracka420]

Just like athletics is noticeable, I seem to notice (or at least I do in my head) the difference between each level going from 5 to 6 to 7 to 8 PS.

[TheAppleSauceMan]

I notice it a lot with 1h, but with 2h I start to not realize the difference after 6 or so PS. Unless we're talking like 12 lol.

So I mucked around a bit in the calculator and the difference in damage would be very minimal it seems. And IF only adds 2 HP, though with the strength it would be 5 HP total. I am still rather torn. Maybe I'll just make a STF and see if I notice any difference between the different levels of PS/IF and WM/ATH.

[San]

The higher the base damage of your weapon, the more PS adds to damage. If you're 2shotting or 3shotting anyways despite theoretically increasing your PS, it's just better to increase ATH, since each level of ath is pretty noticeable. It's as if you decreased a whole tier in gear weight (~7.5kg).  Having above average ath is a decent advantage compared to only having average ath.

WM is actually quite useful, too, and having >20wpf over an enemy is better than it appears (every millisecond counts), but a lot gets taken away from armor. For melee, the higher wpf you have above the average, the better; therefore, WM would help for you, even if the effective value only increases by 5-6 points. Most people are around 120-130, so 140-150 is quite good.

Testing STF builds for a while is the best thing you can do. That's what made me decide that I liked 8+ath and shy away from 21/21.

[TheAppleSauceMan]

Yeah I seem to 2-3 hit people on average, the few exceptions of course being high STR plate crutch but that's not too bad usually I can outspeed them easily. Yeah I'm leaning towards 21/21. The ATH and WM definitely seems like it'll be a bit more noticeable then the IF/PS. Plus then eventually I could get 7 riding! Thanks for all the input guys. Much appreciated.

[MURDERTRON]

Would you say the difference from 6 WM/ATH to 7 was very noticeable?

With the armor I wear, it was definitely noticeable.  With the armor you wear (my armor) it may not be nearly as pronounced.

[Kalam]

Not sure why you have so much wpm with a specialized build.

[TheAppleSauceMan]

You'd be surprised how much of a difference it makes. As lame (gay) as it is, that much WPF in 2h can really let one abuse hilt-slash and double-swings.

[HarryCrumb]

The higher the base damage of your weapon, the more PS adds to damage. If you're 2shotting or 3shotting anyways despite theoretically increasing your PS, it's just better to increase ATH, since each level of ath is pretty noticeable. It's as if you decreased a whole tier in gear weight (~7.5kg).  Having above average ath is a decent advantage compared to only having average ath.

WM is actually quite useful, too, and having >20wpf over an enemy is better than it appears (every millisecond counts), but a lot gets taken away from armor. For melee, the higher wpf you have above the average, the better; therefore, WM would help for you, even if the effective value only increases by 5-6 points. Most people are around 120-130, so 140-150 is quite good.

Testing STF builds for a while is the best thing you can do. That's what made me decide that I liked 8+ath and shy away from 21/21.

@San,

How do you manage to work in riding and have +8 athletics? I'm assuming you're running a 18/24 split but the build would be more fleshed out at 15/24 but that would seem painful running around with 5 PS.

[San]

I didn't. I had a 25/15 with 5 riding and then I respec to 18/27 pure 1h with no riding. 5PS is also more damaging than you think (at least with 8WM), even with cut only weapons.