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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2013, 03:37:40 pm »
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The only fair thing is allowing all names, fair doesn't mean all that much though.
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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2013, 03:59:12 pm »
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It's because cRPG has so many German admins, and Germans can't deal with certain WW2 subjects without getting very emotional.
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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2013, 04:09:25 pm »
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interesting question actually, would Merc_Napoleon be allowed? technically he committed mass atrocities against his own people as well (read napoleon's march on moscow)

i mean, what are we going to do, just start censoring the names of people who killed their own people? history's pretty replete in that field i fear lol ..
I plan on doing so in the future, does that mean that because of my intentions my name isn't allowed aswel?
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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2013, 04:10:42 pm »
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It's because cRPG has so many German admins, and Germans can't deal with certain WW2 subjects without getting very emotional.

i think we had quite a long discussion about this before in off-topic, but it ended with you "euros have no feels". 

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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2013, 04:21:54 pm »
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Not really.

Owners of the mod, as well as the servers are located in Germany/Austria, and thus are subject to their laws, whatever might be thought of those. So, whilst we can debate whether or not Stalin is a bad name (imho, whilst he was every bit the monster that Hitler was, if not more, censoring names is plain dumb), the other is simply a case of adhering to laws and thus not debatable.

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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2013, 05:33:33 pm »
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Used to be a teacher and saw the effects of child abuse on children and I dont think its hilarious to trivialise it. The odds are some of the crpg community will have suffered abuse, it would be a massive statistical anomaly if not, and when someone complains the standard response of "so you were abused as a child then lol" sums up the people who choose such hilarious names. They obviously would be happy to be correct, succeeded in upsetting vulnerable person online oh the kudos.

By condoning references, such as names, to child abuse it will cause genuine pain/offence to some and makes mod less welcoming to many.

So basically Im anti a total no censorship rule which I think seems to be the majority view.

Having said that I laugh my head off at Frankie Boyle and Family Guy, not an entirely consistent viewpoint I know.

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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2013, 06:24:04 pm »
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Not really.

Owners of the mod, as well as the servers are located in Germany/Austria, and thus are subject to their laws, whatever might be thought of those. So, whilst we can debate whether or not Stalin is a bad name (imho, whilst he was every bit the monster that Hitler was, if not more, censoring names is plain dumb), the other is simply a case of adhering to laws and thus not debatable.

right except, and of course im going to go out on a limb here, but i dont think there is any such law that states you cannot use the terms.  Its only for censorship of children, and to stop political parties, or hate crimes from occurring.  It's not some sort of offense where you get a ticket like this is Demolition man.  You just cant use it in video games, or books, because it will "brainwash" children into little Hitlahs.  Henceforth, what laws?


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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2013, 07:52:53 pm »
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Not really.

Owners of the mod, as well as the servers are located in Germany/Austria, and thus are subject to their laws, whatever might be thought of those. So, whilst we can debate whether or not Stalin is a bad name (imho, whilst he was every bit the monster that Hitler was, if not more, censoring names is plain dumb), the other is simply a case of adhering to laws and thus not debatable.

This. From a legal point of view it is not possible to allow people to call themselves H.itler and so on. You can't name your character this way in 99% of all other online games by the way (at least if they have some form of moderation). Why should you be allowed to do it here?

It is only fair to also forbid names of other mass murderers of the 20th/21th century. H.itler and Stalin had and still have a huge influence on modern (european) politics, culture, the generation of our parents and especially our grandparents. Both of them killed millions of people and devastated all Europe. Lots of people (who are still alive) lost close relatives, were exiled and persued.

In Russia for example the last Gulag was only closed at the end of the 1980s! Currently we even experience a growing tendency of Neo-Stalinism there. Lots of political and social conflicts in Eastern Europe are still a result of Stalinism.

In Hungary the antisemitic Jobbik-Party with it's (New) Hungarian Guard (some kind of successor of the Arrow Cross Movement, which helped the N.azis to murder the hungarian jews) is part of the government. Some months ago one of their leaders claimed that jews are "a threat to the national security" and that they "should be registered in special lists". I guess you get the point...

So National Socialism and Stalinism are not just something that happened in the past and that we can forget now. They still affect (directly or indirectly) the life of lots of people.

This is a game and not a platform for questionable political ideologies.

I can understand that people are offended by such names (especially in Eastern Europe).

What is the point of calling your character H.itler anyways?

Is it cool? Nope. To provoke other players? Well, I guess you are 12 years old then. :rolleyes: If you call your character H.itler you are most likely just an extremly uneducated dump fuck. Not worth wasting your time to support such people.

You can nearly use each name you want. There is almost no censorhip in this game, so I don't see a real problem.

By the way: I had a very nice and friendly conversation with Merc_Stalin. He also came to the conclusion that Stalin could indeed be offensive for some people and simply changed it. Unlike some of our usual internet warriors he had no real problem with it.

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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2013, 08:45:35 pm »
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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2013, 09:07:31 pm »
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Just simple question :

Why Merc_stalin allowed and not Merc_Hit ler?  :|

It is because we dont have that freedom yet. Dictator means someone who dictates. Then history is full of them. Maybe 150 years later, our grandchildren will think like ''Ahh, we couldnt use X and Y names even we couldnt speak a word of them''. Well, humanity will improve itself, I hope..
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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2013, 11:12:40 pm »
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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2013, 12:49:32 am »
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The only reason someone would choose the name Hitler is to offend. I really don't see what benefits there would be in lifting the ban of such names.
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Re: name of dictators....
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2013, 01:13:11 am »
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