[stats] more speed for heavy lance

[MURDERTRON]

I'm not sure if speed should be increased above 80. +5 speed and +1 damage sounds good to me.

Only way is probably to simply maintain a higher difference in effective wpf, meaning that in the same armor (of all weights) and different wpf the difference should remain the same. Currently, people with high wpf are losing so much from average levels of armor that it's not much different than people with low wpf. I had ~95 wpf in polearms and used a pre-nerf heavy-lance and switched post-nerf to lance and had minimal problems after getting used to it. High wpf polearms on skilled players did pose a problem with timing, but I feel that this difference should be more noticeable with smaller wpf differences, not a massive one like 160+ vs 95.

There is a surprising amount of 1wpf lancers who are effective.  I'd like to see them sacrificed if dedicated lancers could receive a buff in exchange.  cyranule used 106 wpf, you used 95 and PhantomZero used 50.  All three effective, but I think Phantom was the best lancer if the bunch.

[CrazyCracka420]

That's anecdotal.  I notice a big difference between 1 wpf with lances from horse, and 120.

[Kampfkarotte]

I used Heavy Lance for a long time, but since it got overnerfed, I stopped using it, like most people. Today, the "Heavy" Lance is weaker than all other lances, I mean there's something wrong. I appreciate that you started that thread, but I would like it more when speed stays the same, but damage increases. 

[Prpavi]

if this buff will incease the lance cav population and by that decrease ranged population im all in.

how bad is it really, I heaven't played lanced for atleast a year, I'll respec my asshole HA and try the Heavy Lance, really curious.

[Penitent]

Heavy Lance has been pretty much worthless for a long time.  It needs some help...anything will do honestly.

I vote to increase damage and increase couch damage on all lances.  That should do it.

[MURDERTRON]

That's anecdotal.  I notice a big difference between 1 wpf with lances from horse, and 120.

Right, but what I'm saying is you shouldn't be able to do well with 1wpf in pole arms or even just 50.  Most aren't crazy enough to use any melee weapon without 100 WPF and even still you have to choose your opponents.

Maybe if wpf and possibly riding effected the angles you could reach, that would be a good balancing tool.

[CrazyCracka420]

Right, but what I'm saying is you shouldn't be able to do well with 1wpf in pole arms or even just 50.  Most aren't crazy enough to use any melee weapon without 100 WPF and even still you have to choose your opponents.

Maybe if wpf and possibly riding effected the angles you could reach, that would be a good balancing tool.

Oh right, I totally missed the point...my bad yo

[Inglorious]

how bad is it really, I heaven't played lanced for atleast a year, I'll respec my asshole HA and try the Heavy Lance, really curious.

As someone who has done all but 4 generations as lancer, I can tell you it's not "bad" but it's no where it used to be. Watch the old school heavy lancers when they finally get on. They still do great with the heavy lance and don't complain about the nerfs.

What they do complain about though is the archer population. Champion Cataphract downed by 3 arrows from 1 archer who's solely hunting you because you killed his melee main one to may times? Might as well use a Rouncey at that rate and save yourself some cash.

Nerf Ranged, Buff "Heavy Glance"

[Torben]

heavy cav lancers are str lance,  so they arent hit that bad from the nerf.  try 5 or 6ps ^^

btw just used the HL on a tincan strat battle,  it needs a damage buff :'|

[MURDERTRON]

As someone who has done all but 4 generations as lancer, I can tell you it's not "bad" but it's no where it used to be. Watch the old school heavy lancers when they finally get on. They still do great with the heavy lance and don't complain about the nerfs.

What they do complain about though is the archer population. Champion Cataphract downed by 3 arrows from 1 archer who's solely hunting you because you killed his melee main one to may times? Might as well use a Rouncey at that rate and save yourself some cash.

Nerf Ranged, Buff "Heavy Glance"

I'll assume you're talking about TommyHu and Devilize, since pretty much everyone else has stopped being a lancer.  Those guys are high level 34 or 35, so they don't make the best examples.  Also I'm pretty sure everything they wear is +3.

[Inglorious]

You are indeed correct. I learned alot from Tommy Dev Huesby and Shin.

I was lvl 34 Heavy Lancer with 11PS. Was awesome. One shot anyone who wasn't in 75+ body armor on thrusts. Made everything all better. But that was just me going to the extreme to make my favorite lance seem like how it was over a year ago.

[CrazyCracka420]

Eh 8 PS on a 5 riding horse isn't going to be much more damage than 7 PS and me on a courser.  If anything I'd think I would do more damage at full speed.  And the heavy lance is still pretty terrible unless you're hitting another cavalry or someone with low armor and not running in the same direction as you.

Tommy (don't think he plays much anymore) wears light armor, no helmet and only has his courser and heavy lance at +3.  Don't think he has any other looms.  And I'm not positive but I think he might be level 34 (possibly, might only be 33).  For damage output, there's just no comparison between a heavy lance and a lance.  I'd rather use a great lance than a heavy lance.

[Inglorious]

Eh 8 PS on a 5 riding horse isn't going to be much more damage than 7 PS and me on a courser.  If anything I'd think I would do more damage at full speed.  And the heavy lance is still pretty terrible unless you're hitting another cavalry or someone with low armor and not running in the same direction as you.

Tommy (don't think he plays much anymore) wears light armor, no helmet and only has his courser and heavy lance at +3.  Don't think he has any other looms.  And I'm not positive but I think he might be level 34 (possibly, might only be 33).  For damage output, there's just no comparison between a heavy lance and a lance.  I'd rather use a great lance than a heavy lance.

Was running bets between you guys on who would score first blood, who would end up with more kills etc. last night