Common sense

[BaleOhay]

Yes it did happen at the end of the fight and very likely because they were wasting equipment, they were prob just bad placement while we were rushing. Wasting gear at the end of the fight and bad placement makes it no less against the rules unfortunately. No warnings or bans needed. I imagine everyone in all factions will be more careful just to avoid the drama generated.

I like Goretooth's idea (can not believe I just wrote that). Just disable them in open field fights.

on a wasting items note.. would it not make more sense to spawn with other items instead of a siege ladder at the end of the fight?

[Timmy_TheMadBadNerd]

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Good, almost offended me there for a second.

Regardless, I just hate how ladders work in the current time, as it looks stupid and does a somewhat stupid thing for the cheap. I wouldnt mind if there were anti-cav measures possible for a decent price and something that didnt look so gatdang retarded.

[Artyem]

I think people are missing my point, I've seen ladders placed ON the flags countless times now.  And the only faction I've seen do it in battle is Hero Party.

Now, that doesn't mean I'm pointing fingers, but there's no real supervision on battles.  I talked to Shik, Tydeus and Smoothrich.  At first I was called a "sperg" (despite my reasonable approach) and then called a vassal of FCC, and the Northern Empire.  I didn't hold it against them, however they did eventually pull some interesting points:


[21:57] <Tydeus> so it's hero party's fault
[21:57] <Smoothrich> theres no rules against spamming ladders
[21:57] <Tydeus> not the mercs


[21:58] <@Shik> Artyem to be honest i didn't even see any blocked flags
[21:58] <@Shik> cause i was riding around far from the battle
[21:58] <@Shik> on horse
[21:59] <@Shik> and again, instead of spergin, lets think about things slowly, even if you did manage to cap the flags you'd have saved 50 tickets at most?

Shik was honest at least, and gave the solid answer that he didn't see anything because he was riding around far away from their spawn on a horse.  Tydeus confused me, as he seemed to have admitted to the flags being covered but instead brushed it off and said it isn't Hero Party's fault, it's the Mercenaries fault.  But then retracted that and said he didn't see it.

Conclusion:

I'm a bad sperg lord FCC vassal Northern Empire nerd, Kesh is bad sperg lord conspiracy theorist chocolate chip cookie internet terrorist Northern Empire geek nerd, and Shik and Tydeus are mature, kind people with no bad intention at all, and have only ever been good guys.  Or at least that's my assessment from Hero Party's view.

[Goretooth]

Although there are no set strat rules, the common sense rule obviously also goes for this.
If people use ladders and stuff to basically bug flags they can expect to be banned for a while and by a while I mean at least the time it takes to randomly respawn you on the eu side without troops.

Rule of thumb: If it is obvious exploiting as in an unfair advantage for your team and ruining the fun of everyone else - don't do it.

HP admins need to read this and adjust. Not make bad posts or insult those seeking help in irc.

[Nightingale]

After reading part of this thread, I can safely assume my plan to remove common sense from this community was a huge success

[Weewum]

After reading part of this thread, I can safely assume my plan to remove common sense from this community was a huge success

Can't remove what never existed.

[kinngrimm]

I think people are missing my point, I've seen ladders placed ON the flags countless times now.  And the only faction I've seen do it in battle is Hero Party.
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pointing fingers i think doesnt really make sense, even as you said it would have been Hero Party battles, but who can be sure it was not jsut a random merc who hasn't been on teamspeak and doing so without evil intent.

But if someone of the team becomes aware that a ladder would have been put "onto" their flags, i would say everyone should be free to destroy that to his best judgment. Ladders left, right infront or behind the spawn point or somewhere else on the battle field are traps, which can be avoided when the cav players communicate them.

[Artyem]

pointing fingers i think doesnt really make sense, even as you said it would have been Hero Party battles, but who can be sure it was not jsut a random merc who hasn't been on teamspeak and doing so without evil intent.

But if someone of the team becomes aware that a ladder would have been put "onto" their flags, i would say everyone should be free to destroy that to his best judgment. Ladders left, right infront or behind the spawn point or somewhere else on the battle field are traps, which can be avoided when the cav players communicate them.

Even if it is a random mercenary putting the ladders on the flags, it seems to be quite intentional since it's happened on more than one occasion now.  Is it not the admins responsibility to be vigilant for these kinds of things?  I'd say it is, but consider that there are either:

A. No admins during the battle

or

B. The admins are in Hero Party

there's nothing to be done about it.  They can excuse themselves by saying they weren't in the area when it happened and didn't see it, but that really only works for Shik.  Tydeus and Smoothrich could have easily spawned and seen it, and I'm pretty sure both of them are admins.  So, here's my suggested list of improvements:

1. More admins to monitor battles.
2. Disable ladders on ground battles
3. Make any object that can be deployed break on impact with flags.

This way we can avoid drama, keep griefing out of the game and assure that there's no substitute for ladders.


EDIT:

I really dislike hypocrisy, however everyone is capable of it.  Wouldn't it make sense if admins could do their job without calling people 'spergs' 'nerds' and other names?  FCC and several others see ladders on flags during a hero party battle, they call it out, they're called conspiracists and sperglords.  Immediately after that, the admins from Hero Party draw even wilder accusations about Kesh and his allies, essentially pointing at a mirror and calling it crazy.

tl;dr drama blablabla bloobloo QQ