Buff agility builds

[Ptolemy]

10 strength can't use a heavy great sword! SHENANIGANS!

Yeah...

[TurmoilTom]

10 strength can't use a heavy great sword! SHENANIGANS!

Yeah it's not like I retired or anything...

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MASTERWORK Heavy Great Sword btw

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Was about time somebody with some real STR build experience posted here. Only thing I want to add to this is:
- STR build require more skill when  it comes to battle awereness and good footwork.
- AGI builds require more skill when it comes to blocking and general melee skills.
A STR build can miss a block and get hit without a to big problem , but if I make one wrong turn on eu1 and get ganked im screwed.
A AGI build cant miss a block because if he gets a good hit hes dead or so low to health , but if you do end up in a nasty outnumbered situation you just go and run to safety.
A STR build generaly needs the more expensive equipement to make full use of it's power , but it's not like you need to go full tincan sperglord.
A AGI build is a bit more viable in lighter armour because it boost your speed more.
A STR build requiress less melee skills but more battle skills.
A AGI builds requiress more melee skills but less battle skills.
But I just have to admit that STR builds can be aboosed more , go 39/3 and grab a great maul and go hide behind a corner in siege , grab some high damage wep and a friend with an longspear. Agi buils get less opurtonities ( spelled wrong deal with it) to aboose there build.

[Akynos]

Was about time somebody with some real STR build experience posted here. Only thing I want to add to this is:
- STR build require more skill when  it comes to battle awereness and good footwork.
- AGI builds require more skill when it comes to blocking and general melee skills.
A STR build can miss a block and get hit without a to big problem , but if I make one wrong turn on eu1 and get ganked im screwed.
A AGI build cant miss a block because if he gets a good hit hes dead or so low to health , but if you do end up in a nasty outnumbered situation you just go and run to safety.
A STR build generaly needs the more expensive equipement to make full use of it's power , but it's not like you need to go full tincan sperglord.
A AGI build is a bit more viable in lighter armour because it boost your speed more.
A STR build requiress less melee skills but more battle skills.
A AGI builds requiress more melee skills but less battle skills.
But I just have to admit that STR builds can be aboosed more , go 39/3 and grab a great maul and go hide behind a corner in siege , grab some high damage wep and a friend with an longspear. Agi buils get less opurtonities ( spelled wrong deal with it) to aboose there build.

*round of applause*

[Ptolemy]

- STR build require more skill when  it comes to battle awereness and good footwork.
Needs more battle awareness? Lol, no. See below.
Better footwork? It helps, but I don't think so, str builds can generally weight-stun their way through most fights with agi builds.

- AGI builds require more skill when it comes to blocking and general melee skills.
Yes, granted.

A STR build can miss a block and get hit without a to big problem , but if I make one wrong turn on eu1 and get ganked im screwed.
Agi builds can't get ganked - they die too fast. Even if you survive the first hit, that stun will leave you stranded in combat with the person who just hit you, then if you manage to block their next attack, you're in the same position that a strength build would be - only with less health and armour.

A AGI build cant miss a block because if he gets a good hit hes dead or so low to health , but if you do end up in a nasty outnumbered situation you just go and run to safety.
Acceleration of an agi build isn't good enough to run from most situations (without getting help from a distraction) - you need time in order to even try to get away. Even if you do run away, where are you going to go? The chances are that if you're "nastily out-numbered", your team is dead so you're going to have to fight those people chasing you at some point anyway.

A STR build generaly needs the more expensive equipement to make full use of it's power , but it's not like you need to go full tincan sperglord.
I'll give you this one. However, agi builds often don't have access to those most expensive equipments, so that's balanced out.

A AGI build is a bit more viable in lighter armour because it boost your speed more.
What you mean is that agi builds use lighter armour because it sapps your speed less. Weight effects strength and agility builds equally, this is not an arguement.

A STR build requiress less melee skills but more battle skills.
You're repeating yourself.

A AGI builds requiress more melee skills but less battle skills.
You're repeating your... wait a minute!

But I just have to admit that STR builds can be aboosed more , go 39/3 and grab a great maul and go hide behind a corner in siege , grab some high damage wep and a friend with an longspear. Agi buils get less opurtonities ( spelled wrong deal with it) to aboose there build.
How, exactly, does one aboose an agi build? The only way I can think of aboosing one would be to run away all battle, delaying or otherwise leeching.

RE: Point 1.
The idea that agi builds need less battle awareness is laughable. You constantly have to be looking out for cav, archers, xbows, throwers, shielders - because all of these are a massive threat to you. The only thing that in fact you don't have to worry about too much is full strength builds, since they're one of the few things you can effectively out-run.

• Cav is faster than you - you can't run from them, they will catch you.
• Archers/xbow/thrower out-range you and in 90% of cases will 2/3 hit you - which means you can't run from them either. Even if they only have time for one hit, that one hit's stun will keep you still long enough for them to get a headstart running thus you'll never catch them as 90% of them are agi builds too.
• Shielders can hide behind their shields while you whale on it and either wait for help or get in a quick left swing since agi-spam no longer exists. Attacking a shielder head on (without being 100% sure that you're alone) as an agi build is basically suicide.

Strength builds need to watch for these too, but if they make a mistake they have a much greater chance of surviving that mistake, the agi build is dead.

Was about time somebody with some real STR build experience posted here.

So that we have two sets of biased opinions?

[Gurnisson]

Darian is better with an agility build than with a strengh build. He gets ganked quite easily with that strength build while he was a pain in the arse with his agility build

[Akynos]

I would have listened to you ptolemy, until I saw your reply to george...you obviously never have played full strength, or if you did,
you didn't remember shit. Or maybe it's because your main is a ninja and you want to make sure the game is changed to your advantage.
Dunno. Whatever it is, you lost credibility. You obviously portray agility players as victims of their own build and full str as angry gods of war. Why do you play ninja then? Are you a martyr? Or a liar?
Be honest to yourself and stop exaggerating. If there are so many balanced build and so few str whores, it's for a reason. That only justifies the fact that you are wrong. Get real.

[Siiem]

As I am completely impartial I can safely agree that agility builds need a buff.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

I would have listened to you ptolemy, until I saw your reply to george...you obviously never have played full strength, or if you did,
you didn't remember shit. Or maybe it's because your main is a ninja and you want to make sure the game is changed to your advantage.
Dunno. Whatever it is, you lost credibility. You obviously portray agility players as victims of their own build and full str as angry gods of war. Why do you play ninja then? Are you a martyr? Or a liar?
Be honest to yourself and stop exaggerating. If there are so many balanced build and so few str whores, it's for a reason. That only justifies the fact that you are wrong. Get real.

ptolemy is sort of a 'tard.
And TBH I prefer agi builds and low armor over STR builds and heavy armor.

[WhiteAndMilky]

If agility based builds are so underpowered, than how come so many use it?

Some people play certain builds just because they enjoy them, not because they are actually best. Heck, I play a 6/36 on my stf. Do I do it because it's good? Hell no, it sucks! But it's extremely fun to play.

And really not that many use it, its not like there is ever a large number of high agi in one room, maybe a few at the most. Nothing near the amount of str heavy builds running around.

[Jarlek]

Herpaderpa

Can we change Ptolemys custom tag from "weeaboo" to "weeaboo whiner"?

Darian is probably the best guy to comment on this as he's pretty much been only 27+ AGI builds or only 27+ STR builds.

[Ptolemy]

Why do you play ninja then? Are you a martyr? Or a liar?

I play ninja because when I started playing ninja it was still possible to flank, there were less cav and less archers and those archers were less skilled at blocking, so the class was actually fun. Plus a sense of loyalty to the clan.

I don't enjoy it now, it's just a grind - I'm just hoping that rageball comes back so I don't have to suffer anymore.

Maybe if we what % of players have 8 athletics and more, and what percent is 5 and less, we would get a real picture.

There was one about 2-3 months ago, most were between 15/24 and 24/15 if I recall correctly. Something in the region of 60%.


If I come across as pro-agility builds, that's only because in my experiences of both agility and strength builds, the agi build has come off far worse. It's my opinion, and I will continue to argue for it.

[Kafein]

Cav is faster than you - you can't run from them, they will catch you.

This is laughable. With more than 7 ath you can dodge cav 24/7. Usually it's the strenght builds that are pretty weak to cav, even more so when they use short weapons. Nut then again, no str build with half a brain would use short weapons since that turns him into a s key hero punching ball.