More realistic loomed armor values?

[Elindor]

So, this is somewhat semantics which is why I'm posting it here (in realism area)....

Correct me if I am wrong but it seems from what I've learned that the difference between, let's say an average set of plate, and a custom made very well made set of plate for a lord or something would be somewhat an increase in its mitigation of incoming damage, but also its weight/mobility/flexibility for the individual wearing it.  Of course, in crpg all we have to represent this is weight, so lets go with that.

Right now loomed armor gains ARMOR VALUE.
From a realism perspective imo it should gain a little LESS armor value than it currently does, and in return LOSE some weight from its stock weight value.

So for instance instead of Lordly gaining +5 armor value and staying the same weight as the stock armor...
Lorldy could gain +3 armor value and gain a -2 on weight or something.

Again, semantics, but would be more realistic. 

Is that accurate?

[Lannistark]

What's the point of doing that? People are willing to sacrifice speed loss due to weight, in order to get some more protection. If looming armors won't give a significant bonus to armor rating, but decrease weight then you will see even more tincans around.

[zagibu]

What's the point of doing that? People are willing to sacrifice speed loss due to weight, in order to get some more protection. If looming armors won't give a significant bonus to armor rating, but decrease weight then you will see even more tincans around.

Would be cool to see some more tincans. Currently, all I see is Kuyak clones and archers.

[Lannistark]

Don't get me wrong. The idea is good, it just needs a lot of fixes for it to work correctly.

[Rusty_Shacklefjord]

Supported.

+3 weapons have a damage boost AND a speed boost. It would make sense for +3 armor to match, instead of just the drastic armor boost. It's also better from the perspective of realism. Rich guys with +3 armor and deep pockets will be able to wear plate effectively. Normally heavy plate armor would become more practical.

Currently most min-maxers use lordly medium-heavy armor like the Sarranid Guard Armor or Heavy Kuyak with lordly gauntlets. This is because it allows them to be light enough to be effective, while still providing the same armor rating as plate. However, if lordly plate armor also had a weight reduction it would fall closer to the cutoff of practical usefulness.

It's more realistic, reduces min-maxing, and imo would be cool to see more plated knights around.

[Tears of Destiny]

Technically, from a realistic perspective, every time you "loom" an armor it should decrease in protection due to old materials and outdated methods of construction and general wear and tear that simply can not be fixed due to stress lines or chips forming.

[zagibu]

I always imagine the bearer of an heirloomed item to fight more effectively just because of the morale boost he gets from the thing.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

I for one (as a plate crutching gay lord) like the idea.

I would take a -2 hit to my gothic with bevore plates armour rating if it cut say 10kg of the weight off it.

So the first to give it +1 then +2 and the final point hammers the weight down.

But only for the actual plate armours that have the horrific weight values. Also I would jack up the wieght values on everything past Heavy Yawshawn to be more inline with GPB around 24-27kg.

So here is what I'm thinking.

The loss in weight is different per class of armours. With the largest loss of weight coming with the Plate class armours. So 10 for plate, 6 for transitional 4 for the mid tier armours and 2 wieght for the light/bottom mid tier armours.

It would make the light strange armour and the Byrnie rather special items. They would be prized by throwers and archers for there speed and protection.

Really I guess cutting the armour value off lordly to 3 or 4 with a cut to weight would be a boon for agi classes and every class in general.

@Tod well we could wank out and call it "Gaining Prestige" and as you "prestige" your items get better. Makes me sick even using the word.

[Elindor]

Heirloomed is a bad term for the effect that happens as you progress  these items (as ToD points out)

The titles of the stages themselves is more accurate.  And the term Lordly, denotes to me that this is a piece or armor specifically crafted for one important individual - custom made by a masterful armorsmith for THAT individual and therefore offers protection a bit better than most normal armor of the same kind, and fits him better as its made to form right to him, therefore being less encumbering, IE - less weight (only mechanic in this game to represent that).

I agree with Frank that each armor type would have a different reduction in weight...could be a percentage of the whole though.  Like Transitional is 21.9 weight so if it was 12% reduction (for +3) that would be - 2.62 weight, making it 19.28 (around the weight of stock coat of plates).  And, as stated, in return it would gain a bit less armor value. 

Just random numbers, could be more % or less.

[dodnet]

Heirlooming something 3 times for just a plus of 3 armorpoints is worthless. You might remove heirlooming in total then...

[LordRichrich]

Re-post this in the normal suggestions corner for the love of god. The game isn't balanced by realism so everything here doesn't get looked at!