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Re: What's with the dual wield hate?
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2012, 05:16:37 am »
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I'm not talking about what came first, just what existed.

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Musashi created and perfected a two-sword kenjutsu technique called niten'ichi (二天一, "two heavens as one") or nitōichi (二刀一, "two swords as one") or "Ni-Ten Ichi Ryu" (A Kongen Buddhist Sutra refers to the two heavens as the two guardians of Buddha). In this technique, the swordsman uses both a large sword, and a "companion sword" at the same time, such as a katana with a wakizashi. Although he had mastership in this style of two swords, he most commonly used a katana in duels.
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Re: What's with the dual wield hate?
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2012, 05:31:32 am »
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Shoot yourself in the shoot ''most commonly used a katana in duels''
He mastered only to rarely use it duels, no words about a battlefield use either.

And its a single guy at that.
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Re: What's with the dual wield hate?
« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2012, 05:46:28 am »
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My shoot's fine, thanks.  :P

Going around in circles here, but point is it existed. Unlike black guys on a european battlefield. So if guys from Africa at the time could conceivably go to Europe and loot their shit and fight alongside presumably racist white knights, a samurai master could teach his dual sword techniques to those same knights.
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Re: What's with the dual wield hate?
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2012, 05:51:12 am »
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African man loot Euro knight gear, fights with arab.
Mercenaries? The Crusaders had a ton of e'm.
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Re: What's with the dual wield hate?
« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2012, 05:59:58 am »
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Cool.
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Re: What's with the dual wield hate?
« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2012, 06:30:33 am »
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idc if its realistic or not i think it would be cool and fun to add... i had made a topic about this b4 but it was b4 wse so it didnt really stand a chance lol

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Re: What's with the dual wield hate?
« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2012, 08:59:04 am »
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In my opinion Musashi's argueing for dual wield had mainly philosophical reasons. If you read his work then it becomes obvious that one of his main ideas was not to develop a preference. On the battlefield a commander shouldn't generally prefer one troop type but equally employ infantry, ranged and cavalry, only depending on the circumstances. Becoming to attached to a single troop type or tactic makes one predictable and vulnerable - it becomes a weakness.

A similar idea seems to be behind using two weapons with both arms. That way the weaker arm is constantly trained to wield a weapon on his own and the warrior can still fight well even if his strong arm is incapacitated. Again, the main goal is to overcome the weakness of having a preference, a weak and a strong arm.

It seems to me that this is a very elite and idealistic thing, probably unrealistic for the common warrior. He is better off taking every opponent seriously and expecting him to be on an equal level. Dual wield would probalby weaken the warriors blows and parries which is especially bad against an armored foe. I just don't see a place for it on the medieval European battlefield.

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