Crush-Through on Bar Mace and Long Iron Mace

[ManOfWar]

Read the thread, manofwar. This isn't about whether or not the current heirloomed barmace is OP or not. We KNOW it's OP. This thread is a discussion about how best to fix that problem, without OVERnerfing the barmace.

O sorry, I havent the slightest idea other than, maybe we could decrease the damage dealt by crush through?or increase the unbalanced factor in swinging?

[UrLukur]

O sorry, I havent the slightest idea other than, maybe we could decrease the damage dealt by crush through?or increase the unbalanced factor in swinging?

Change heirlooming modiefiers to not add weight ? or decrease both base damage and bonus for looming so it crush only low tier stuff ?

[bruce]

And you're comparing apples to oranges. One-handers and polearms both bring other things to the table than two-handers. And you're attempting to justify the overnerf to a two-hander by using only examples from OTHER weapon classes.

I'm just saying your idea that unbalanced = shieldbreaking OR crushthrough is simply put wrong.

And the weapon sure as hell has a lot of use even without crushthrough. You've got a cheap, reasonably fast, high damage tincan opener with knockdown. If that's useless, well, there's no pleasing some people.

[jspook]

knockdown is pretty nasty.  I'd say that more than serves to equal the unbalanced tag.

getting knocked down in almost all cases is a death sentence.  Getting crushed through is surviveable and forseeable.

[Seawied]

Getting crushed through is surviveable and forseeable.

but not avoidable currently, which lies the problem.

[ManOfWar]

but not avoidable currently, which lies the problem.

hmm make it so to be able to use the bar mace, force the person to invest heavily strength thus reducing the amount of athletics?

[Nemeth]

hmm make it so to be able to use the bar mace, force the person to invest heavily strength thus reducing the amount of athletics?

I faced Robin_Hood several times, which is pure STR monster, like 36/3 or something, defintly 3 agi though. I couldn't backpedal with 7 ath faster then he could go swinging at me with bar mace. Once you are in the range of bar mace user, there is no way out imo. Maybe I'm just doing something wrong though (perfectly possible).

[Heroin]

Change heirlooming modiefiers to not add weight ? or decrease both base damage and bonus for looming so it crush only low tier stuff ?

Wow, what a brilliant idea. Why didn't I think of that?

/sarcasm off.

Really though, imo, this seems like the best fix. Just balance the weapon, rather than completely altering it's role.

[Siiem]

Wow, what a brilliant idea. Why didn't I think of that?

/sarcasm off.

Really though, imo, this seems like the best fix. Just balance the weapon, rather than completely altering it's role.

Yeah bring the back role of it as the name implies make it usable only in bars... oh wait, snap!