'Helms Deep' Castle on siege. No can do

[Camaris]

I dont have problems to get in i have problems because i have to run and run and run if i died.

[Furax]

This map is the only map whos not bad, because you have to use teamplay to win. However there is no teamplay in cRPG.

If just 50% of attackers attacked the chokepoint at once, defenders wouldent stand a chance, assuming they had as little teamplay as the faulty attackers would have had not doing this. Time after time ive rushed inn there alone versus 20 defenders, whilst 30 attackers stand and watch on the outside, im here sacrificing myself for attackers to gain a momentum, will they take it? No..maybe one or two brave souls, but versus 20 all focused on them its not gonna do much.

[WaltF4]

The Helm's Deep map is too large. The standard balancing mechanism for siege, a defended position but with fewer active combatants, no longer functions when the average respawning attacker takes longer than the average respawning defender to resume fighting.

[Dexxtaa]

The Helm's Deep map is too large. The standard balancing mechanism for siege, a defended position but with fewer active combatants, no longer functions when the average respawning attacker takes longer than the average respawning defender to resume fighting.

Stop making sense.

But an idea is to include more ladders to the walls for faster access for the attackers.

I really like the map and would like to keep it, if possible

[IG_Saint]

So where exactly are these ways in? I know of 2 ways to get to the flag:
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And to go through 2 you first need to go through 1 and open the gate, which is pointless since once you're through 1 you'll just head straight to the flag.

So unless there's some hidden passage that I don't know about, there's only 1 way of getting in....Either change this map or remove it from rotation imo.

[Seprest]

If the attackers are skilled enough to get EVERYONE to attack correctly, then you should assume that the defenders could be just as good.  When it takes the attackers so much more teamplay to get a chance at winning in this map, it is inbalanced.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

First off, please use this subforum when discussing map balance, since its where all the mappers visit: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,24.0.html

I didn't see this thread till today.  And I know I speak for everyone when I say we could use some feedback.


Secondly, I already sent a revised version to Airith, let me know what you think of it once you've gotten a chance to play.  The problem with the old version was the outer walls were too easy to take, and the inner keep was almost impossible to get in.  I've made some pretty extensive revisions regarding places


Also, if you know of alternate ways into the keep area, let me know, because there are supposed to only be 2   I suppose you could use ladders to get around, but that will take so long that it isn't really viable in most cases.  But let me know about these "secret passages" please

[Ache]

1. Put atk spawnpoint closer to the flag so you dont have to run for about 2 minutes until you "could" reach the flag.
2. It is possible to put a siege ladder from the main gatehouse at the right side to the innerkeep.

[Bear]

This map is perfectly fine ^^ also ppl seem to forget the thousand of ladders stuff ;)

[CtrlAltDe1337]

1. Put atk spawnpoint closer to the flag so you dont have to run for about 2 minutes until you "could" reach the flag.
2. It is possible to put a siege ladder from the main gatehouse at the right side to the innerkeep.

First off, please use this subforum when discussing map balance, since its where all the mappers visit: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,24.0.html

Please, people...it will make life much easier for us mappers and you can give feedback on all the maps.

[Ache]

Just transfer it to the other forum please. ^^