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Shielder (Defensive)
« on: July 27, 2011, 09:52:12 pm »
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Very simple guide:

1. Get this build:

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    * Strength: 3
    * Agility: 39
    * Hit points: 38

    * Skills to attributes: 14

    * Ironflesh: 0
    * Power Strike: 1
    * Shield: 13
    * Athletics: 3
    * Riding: 0
    * Horse Archery: 0
    * Power Draw: 0
    * Power Throw: 0
    * Weapon Master: 0

    * One Handed: 113
    * Two Handed: 1
    * Polearm: 1
    * Archery: 1
    * Crossbow: 1
    * Throwing: 1

2. Buy this gear:
 - Nordic short sword (fast sword, highest damage you can get and has a puny pierce attack)
 - Huscarl's Round Shield (best coverage)
 - Lightest armour or naked

3. Hold RMB

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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2011, 09:21:55 am »
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Can it be crushed through?
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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2011, 09:22:07 am »
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Other weapon choices include polearms if you want to help support, but you would probably bounce. But the short spear does come with a nice little pierce damage.

Another weapon option is to turn 2 extra points to put in one strength and use the Falchion which boasts 30 Cut damage. Or also use the boar spear which comes with a whopping 27 pierce damage.
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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2011, 10:10:18 am »
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light spiked club would probably be a better weapon choice, and less chance of glancing.

Also Tears said that a plain cav shield stopped everything.  no reason u need to use huscarl if your forcefield protects you enough around your edges of shield.

Best thing you can do is box enemies into corners since you'll be moving so fast.  Get behind them and block with shield so they cant backpeddle.
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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2011, 10:34:52 am »
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light spiked club would probably be a better weapon choice, and less chance of glancing.

Also Tears said that a plain cav shield stopped everything.  no reason u need to use huscarl if your forcefield protects you enough around your edges of shield.

Best thing you can do is box enemies into corners since you'll be moving so fast.  Get behind them and block with shield so they cant backpeddle.

Huscarl for weight and protection from penetration. I'd choose it over the plain cavalry shield, because the forcefield is so big you can shield teammates from missiles too. Could go for steel shield, it's a very heavy shield, slowing you down, but it can't be penetrated by xbows and you can even defend against crushthroughs from low PS builds with it.

Can it be crushed through?

Yes, very easily if you use light shields. Xbows punch straigth through anything below huscarl shields, killing you outright.

As for the weapon, it's just for looks. On anything but peasant armour, you won't be doing noticeable amounts of damage and attacking leaves you open for counter attacks.

Best thing you can do is box enemies into corners since you'll be moving so fast.  Get behind them and block with shield so they cant backpeddle.

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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2011, 12:32:45 pm »
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This is why there are no shielders in cRPG......

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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2011, 12:46:56 pm »
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Doesn't 3 athletics make it a bit hard to avoid kick+slash combo,
Or hard to cover your back against fast moving opponents,
Or hard to backpedal against multiple opponents,
Or hard to avoid being easy prey to cavalry?

It seems like it's only good for blocking entrances, passways which can be broken by kickslashes, crushthrough weapons or horse bumps (if it's not a siege most likely).
I find the other defensive sihelder guide more appropriate.
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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2011, 01:07:18 pm »
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DTV build?

Does the 13 shield skill give you an undestructable shield or is this fixed?

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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2011, 01:13:32 pm »
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I guess shield skill gives you an amount of shield resistance (kind of like a shield armor). If the shield resistance is 40 for example lower than 40 damage, removes no hp from the shield. So it could be possible if:
if 13 shield skill is possible, heavy long axe carrier with a 13 power strike skill is also possible. So, not likely undestructable as it seems.
Disclaimer: These are only my guesses based on playing experience, I have no knowledge of how the game codes might be working.
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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2011, 01:19:02 pm »
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I guess shield skill gives you an amount of shield resistance (kind of like a shield armor). If the shield resistance is 40 for example lower than 40 damage, removes no hp from the shield. So it could be possible if:
if 13 shield skill is possible, heavy long axe carrier with a 13 power strike skill is also possible. So, not likely undestructable as it seems.
Disclaimer: These are only my guesses based on playing experience, I have no knowledge of how the game codes might be working.

This was related only to shield skill giving % of resistance, when you reach 13 shield skill you had more than 100% resistance, meaning the shield was undestructable (even arena shield!). dunno if this is fixed? (may be intended)

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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2011, 04:19:57 am »
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You can be crush through.
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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2011, 04:22:47 am »
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Doesn't 3 athletics make it a bit hard to avoid kick+slash combo,
Or hard to cover your back against fast moving opponents,
Or hard to backpedal against multiple opponents,
Or hard to avoid being easy prey to cavalry?

It seems like it's only good for blocking entrances, passways which can be broken by kickslashes, crushthrough weapons or horse bumps (if it's not a siege most likely).
I find the other defensive sihelder guide more appropriate.

Its not an issue with that much agi. You run plenty fast enough. I usually don't bother with ath at all. But your best bet is to use the staff, its faster and cause polestun, so you can actually be a useful support char. No matter what weapon you use, you will pretty much never get kills. Unless you steal them.
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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2011, 04:15:16 pm »
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This was related only to shield skill giving % of resistance, when you reach 13 shield skill you had more than 100% resistance, meaning the shield was undestructable (even arena shield!). dunno if this is fixed? (may be intended)

Some guy was on NA siege last night with 13 shield and an arena shield and it was indestructable hehe.

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Re: Shielder (Defensive)
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2011, 05:20:41 pm »
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8% damage reduction per level of shield skill.

13*8%= 104% reduction, making any shield you use indestructible.
As far as I know, it's working as intended. There are plenty of counters against an indestructible shield and having such a build leaves you with pathetic killing power.

Doesn't 3 athletics make it a bit hard to avoid kick+slash combo,
Or hard to cover your back against fast moving opponents,
Or hard to backpedal against multiple opponents,
Or hard to avoid being easy prey to cavalry?

You have 39 agility. Each point in athletics gives you a small bonus to runspeed. Since you have about 39 agility and light gear you'll be running as fast (if not faster) as the average player around. Translates to about 6 athletics (guess). So, no.
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