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Re: Cured meat causing cancer
« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2015, 07:20:06 pm »
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Literally everything I've said has been very mild and entirely backed up by science and facts.

seemed to me that you were grinding bjords gears more then trying to make a point  :mrgreen:
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Re: Cured meat causing cancer
« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2015, 07:27:21 pm »
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But but... its WHO! :wink:

Yeah it's WHO and what they are actually saying is much less alarming than what the headlines imply, as it always is.

And as always, stupid people read the headlines and think "silly white coat people and their statistics, they don't know me!" despite the fact that 18% of something ridiculously tiny is still ridiculously tiny. Cancer is fucking random and causality is an illusion, deal with it.

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Re: Cured meat causing cancer
« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2015, 07:30:54 pm »
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« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2015, 07:49:03 pm »
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Re: Cured meat causing cancer
« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2015, 11:25:38 am »
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[...]Cancer is fucking random and causality is an illusion, deal with it.
That's what I tell myself everytime I light another cigarette :lol:
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« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2015, 08:18:52 pm »
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Re: Cured meat causing cancer
« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2015, 11:41:37 pm »
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I'm actually glad they made news out of this. Because of it, majority of older folks in my country (again, large majority of people here) stopped buying meat. Thus meat, which was way overpriced (compared to buying power of average Serbski) became cheaper. May this continue and more reports of harmful effects of meat end up on national television :D

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Re: Cured meat causing cancer
« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2015, 01:26:29 am »
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in a nutshell: keep an eye on the overall quality of the meat everything. Don´t eat meat everyday too much, but if so, treat yourself with some high quality meat exercise

This is how I see food. Everything of a bad quality can cause problem, particularly in excess. And seeing that you cannot objectively analyze the quality of a product, without going through scientifical experiments that noone bothers except the lobby groups, you are better off just eating whatever you like.

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Re: Cured meat causing cancer
« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2015, 04:57:50 am »
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in a nutshell: keep an eye on the overall quality of the meat everything. Don´t eat meat everyday too much, but if so, treat yourself with some high quality meat exercise
This is how I see food. Everything of a bad quality can cause problem, particularly in excess. And seeing that you cannot objectively analyze the quality of a product, without going through scientifical experiments that noone bothers except the lobby groups, you are better off just eating whatever you like.

Lobby groups are the ones providing scientific knowledge? This is a deeply misinformed post.

And you can see clearly when food is rotten, that's objectively true. If it makes you sick, it was objectively bad.
The smaller objective facts are out there, even if they are not immediately observable. If we know for a fact that ingredient X causes something bad, then a food product with ingredient X is objectively "bad" or worse than a identical product without it. There's no subjectivity in disease statistics.
And you can check the amounts of sugars, salt and fats and many other things right on the tin.

And even premium stuff can cause problems, especially in excess.

Eating X and then exercising won't fix everything. Many foodstuffs do more in your body than just give energy.
Fructose is one example of this. It's sugar like the rest of them, but it's almost entirely metabolized in the liver, causing fatty liver disease, among other unwelcome changes in normal body function.


You're absolutely right in not worrying too much about eating meat though.
But whatever you choose to eat and think, at the very least don't equate scientists with lobbyists, please.



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Re: Cured meat causing cancer
« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2015, 07:01:15 am »
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Scientists are often paid by lobbyists.
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Re: Cured meat causing cancer
« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2015, 07:13:45 am »
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Scientists are often paid by lobbyists.

Not untrue. The word "often" needs clarification to be meaningful in this discussion though.

A significant amount? Most scientists are directly employed by political lobbyists?
Money used with many strategic considerations also funds science?

And even if they were, how the findings are used and which results are published are often not decided by the scientists themselves.
Unless they are being dishonest, they are trying to find facts about the world around us, no matter who employs them.

Confusing the two serves very little purpose.

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Re: Cured meat causing cancer
« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2015, 06:17:16 pm »
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That's what I tell myself everytime I light another cigarette :lol:

Causality is an illusion, correlation isn't.