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Re: Taxes
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2015, 02:37:06 pm »
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Word, well said. Paying 41% myself. Though I have thoughts about supporting "free medical care" - once I heard that my country's hospitals are basically filled with drug addicts and alcoholics, a lot of them who are repeatedly hospitalized even after serious warnings from doctors. Why should I, or my country, pay for someone who wants to destroy his health on purpose? Why should they get treated "for free" for the second or third time they're in for their shit. That's like lending someone money so he can wipe his ass and then lending him some more. There really needs to be a system for this.

On the other hand I was kinda relieved I only had to pay like 130€ property tax. Was worried I'd have to pay (a lot) more since I own two flats.

Hmm... It's not easy to draw the line in that case - should we pay for smokers with their heart problems, or for the fat people? Someone who is doing extreme sports? Why should we pay for broken legs, when someone falls off a roof during a parkour session or a skateboard trip through town?

Property taxes are not that high here in comparison to other expenses, I pay a bit over 300 euro twice a year. My quarterly electricity bill in comparison is much higher.

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Re: Taxes
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2015, 03:38:19 pm »
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Word, well said. Paying 41% myself. Though I have thoughts about supporting "free medical care" - once I heard that my country's hospitals are basically filled with drug addicts and alcoholics, a lot of them who are repeatedly hospitalized even after serious warnings from doctors. Why should I, or my country, pay for someone who wants to destroy his health on purpose? Why should they get treated "for free" for the second or third time they're in for their shit. That's like lending someone money so he can wipe his ass and then lending him some more. There really needs to be a system for this.

The problem with drug addicts is that they often start doing drugs in their early teens, usually because of neglect, abuse, or simply because they had the wrong friends. By the time they're adults - and still alive - drug addicts are no longer really in control of their lives. Addiction has become the only way to live. Then there's only two options, really. Or they simply OD and die, or they get help and salvage whatever there's still left. I prefer the latter option.
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Re: Taxes
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2015, 03:40:47 pm »
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Then there's only two options, really. Or they simply OD and die, or they get help and salvage whatever there's still left. I prefer the latter option.

First time, sure. Second time, on your own money.

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Re: Taxes
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2015, 05:01:29 pm »
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First time, sure. Second time, on your own money.

Relapse is the rule rather than the exception in addiction recovery. Creating financial barriers is pretty much a death sentence.
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Re: Taxes
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2015, 07:59:54 pm »
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Tax Code is kind of like Law Code in the sense that they have become so byzantine and complex over the centuries the purpose of accountants and lawyers is to act as sort of translators and guides. Tbf the things they are "coding" are inherently complex and sometimes vague in the first place, so it's not like it was a deliberate thing.

It is deliberately obscure in very much the same self-serving way a modern philosophy publication is deliberately obscure. The complexity of the syntax merely hides the simplicity of the actual information. Although in defense of lawyers and accountants, their things *can* be genuinely complicated whereas philosophy never is. But then you have to ask why is accounting or law complicated and you'll never find a reason other than a history of base corporatism.

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Re: Taxes
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2015, 11:13:42 pm »
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It is deliberately obscure in very much the same self-serving way a modern philosophy publication is deliberately obscure. The complexity of the syntax merely hides the simplicity of the actual information. Although in defense of lawyers and accountants, their things *can* be genuinely complicated whereas philosophy never is. But then you have to ask why is accounting or law complicated and you'll never find a reason other than a history of base corporatism.
Ah, yes, philosophy. The only field where being as abstruse as possible is considered a virtue. But then, I suppose it's a necessity, considering most of the debated topics are so silly that they'd be laughed out of the room if they weren't so dressed in terminology that no one can understand -- and, in fact, in many cases, that have no actual meaning in the first place, such as "emergent phenomena."

Of course, seeing as academia not only reinforces but rewards this kind of behavior, it's a vicious circle.

Still, I wonder how you must feel about your life when you've spent fifteen years in school learning about the mistakes of ancient philosophers only to spend your days coming up with ever more arcane ways to define everyday facts.
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Re: Taxes
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2015, 12:52:15 am »
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Of course, seeing as academia not only reinforces but rewards this kind of behavior, it's a vicious circle.

It only happens in areas of academia in which nothing interesting or original is ever produced. Admittedly, that's pretty much the entirety of everything not STEMM.

Still, I wonder how you must feel about your life when you've spent fifteen years in school learning about the mistakes of ancient philosophers only to spend your days coming up with ever more arcane ways to define everyday facts.

Actually today it's more about commenting on the incoherent ramblings of probably some guy in the second half of the 20th century with an amount of original thinking that can be summarized without loss of information on a single page at most. Even better yet there's also second, third and fourth order commenting on other people's "ideas", you're actually lucky if you find someone commenting directly about the "original" author.

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Re: Taxes
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2015, 06:00:51 am »
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Forget taxes...
How about those hospitals who buy a saline bag for 5$ from a supplier, and then charge a patient 550$+ for the same bag of saline, which probably costs about 25-50 cents to produce in the first place.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/health/exploring-salines-secret-costs.html?_r=0

Mostly it's insurance companies who foot these bills, but then the insurance companies set their rates based on the cost of medical services. Or in the case of Obama Care those unfortunate to be on it, they see the cost of being under obamacare rise to three times the initial cost when they went on it a year ago.

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Re: Taxes
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2015, 09:04:14 pm »
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